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hello and welcome to the show we have a

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fun one for you this evening and I

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guarantee you're going to be entertained

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we have a great guest Dean Ali Otto I

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met him and when I was out in Phoenix he

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was at the round table the round round

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robin we did out there in phoenix and

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just i hit it off with him he's a great

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guy he's funny and has a real

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interesting story to tell he's going to

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be on the show before that we have

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Alejandro Rojas coming up with the news

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and good news last week for those people

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I had the cable person over here this

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being just a new router and the router

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thank you if you helped us out and we're

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ready to get going Alejandro how are you

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welcome to I am good how are you doing

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great doing great good to see it ok good

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to see you too I don't dress up I hope

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you never do you don't mind you haven't

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complained so far not that you dress up

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really I'm in my gym outfit I'll

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probably go work out I'm like Dean I can

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see Dean already and he's looking pretty

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good yeah I think he did dress up he's

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got his Herald you know fancy there and

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looking real good

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yeah Dean's in the wings our guests are

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saddled behind the scene our guests are

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always in the wings waiting until up

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until I bring them on so what else is

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happening

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out there yep I've got my my camera to

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the green room yes so a lot is happening

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this is kind of fun this is something

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cool so I was in Boise with Mark

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Dantonio and Ben Hansen this past

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weekend and there's this big music

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festival called tree fort there and

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there they have they're kind of doing

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like South by Southwest where they're

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adding different festival type things

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around so food for al for yoga for and

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there was hack port hack for it was the

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tech section and so I spoke on writing

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tech and then we also had a UFO panel

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there at hack for the reason I bring it

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up is a couple reasons one it was

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standing room only it was packed which

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was really cool because my tech panel

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probably had half 3/4 of the room fool

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but not only were the chairs full it was

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standing room people sitting standing on

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the chairs are sitting on the tables and

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we were just surrounded so it was a lot

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of fun and it was kind of cool because

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this conference or this event kind of is

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for the 20-somethings and the hipsters

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and stuff like this not the type we

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necessarily see at the conference

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besides Dean and so it was cool to be

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able to get to to that group and to see

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that they're really interested in this

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topic and I think you know one of the

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great parts is it was a panel and it was

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a very interactive panel and I think

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that's the sort of thing you know they

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like like comic-con is all panels so you

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could interact some more and it was just

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really cool so I just wanted to bring

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that up market and Ben we're awesome you

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can see actually we did a podcast and

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can see but you might remember I'm

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pretty sure I brought this up last week

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this article by NY mag New York magazine

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and Noi mag for short and it turns out

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that one of my buddies who was on the

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panel with me for tech writing was one

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of the authors of that story he I guess

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wrote just a part on the Astro

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kind of the astrobiology that the

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planets that we're finding out there but

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ETS and essentially the article was

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titled something like why we should

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believe reasons to believe thirteen

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reasons to believe aliens are real do

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you remember talking about that let's

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see I think I read the article I breezed

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through it yeah so yeah yeah that's

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that's a great one mm-hmm they referred

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to the New York Times article of course

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with the DoD report and everything and

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that because she mentioned we never said

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anything about aliens which they didn't

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curve that's going on when you talk to

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you fo so a lot of people in the

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mainstream media goes straight to aliens

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but that's not what UFOs are all about

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that's a portion but these things are

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unidentified and I think that's a

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message that we keep having to to hit

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home with these people

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unidentified yeah otherwise she's very

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careful about that and you know and it

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makes sense you have to be careful and

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it's funny I know you had Stan Friedman

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on your show and you're gonna have him

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out a few more times but uh last time I

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talked to him he said you know don't be

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so afraid to say it that some you know

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how he does that some yeah bird flying

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saucers may have aliens in them you know

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that type of thing but he's saying don't

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be so careful and maybe as you but I I

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understand I kind of don't totally agree

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with him yeah of course I'm not 100%

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convinced like he is that that I mean

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there's there's a multitude of answers

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and I think it's just as important for

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the alien people to think you know to

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keep their minds open to the possibility

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of other dimensions like Michio Kaku has

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even been talking about in relation to

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this story recently the possibility like

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you had you know I guess on that people

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from the future or when it comes to

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science especially space science usually

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the answers are something we never could

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have imagined you know

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they never knew that Dark Matter existed

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they didn't believe anything like that

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could have exist these rogue planets

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that are around a star that are just

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hanging out out there in space they

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never thought that could exist so we

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always find things that we never thought

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could of it so the answer could be

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something we can't even conceive of yet

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so I think we all have to keep an open

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mind and I'll have to remind mr.

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Friedman of that ya know just I've said

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that a number of times and I agree with

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you the you know maybe something we

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can't even imagine and I think that goes

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along with what Jacque filets been

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saying for many years - or similar what

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what if in an alternate dimension you

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are like the head of some space program

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or something or or maybe you your kid in

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the future your grandchild or your

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ancestor is coming back because they're

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in charge of the world and they want to

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see you know grandpa Martin you never

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know I could use that

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but speaking of UFOs one real big story

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that is getting bigger and bigger it

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kind of grew slowly about two or three

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days ago maybe a little longer there was

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this story about these pilots who had a

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UFO sighting um the story first came out

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on the drive coms war zone page and then

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and it was this FAA audio of these

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American Airline and other planes

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talking about a UFO sighting the phoenix

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new times because this was allegedly

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over arizona the phoenix new times a

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local paper similar to the syracuse new

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I'm saying Cheryl Koster writes for they

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that that was a legitimate audio and the

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FAA gave them a fresh copy of the audio

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and essentially said we don't know what

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it was and it's a very cool recording so

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it happened on February 24 that was at

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3:30 p.m. where an aircraft a Learjet

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from the Phoenix air group this is kind

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of this is a chartered plane they do

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cargo but they also fly corporate people

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like that but they're in the learjet at

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37,000 feet and they asked was someone

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supposed to pass us 30 seconds ago and

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the control tower said no we don't see

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anything and they said yeah we saw

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something definitely saw something over

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us it was had a big reflection and we

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don't know what it is

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I think even right then someone said UFO

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and they all kind of chuckled a few

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seconds later an American Airlines

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Airbus called in the same thing above

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them as well I'm they estimated it was

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maybe 10,000 feet above them and they

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were like is there anything else

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supposed to be up there and they said no

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the tower out of I think it was

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Albuquerque which is was nearby cold

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again and said hey you know what was

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that that you saw could it possibly be a

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balloon and they said no it's not a

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balloon not sure if it was moving but it

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was something and again someone just

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blurts out UFO and they all kind of

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laugh but yeah they were all kind of

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baffled as to what was seen but I think

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what's most interesting is in this post

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you know Pentagon UFO study world the

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media is treating this very seriously so

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it's been in a lot of news outlets it

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was on ABC it was on CBS CBS kind of

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talked about that and the DoD and they

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interviewed Richard Dolan about UFOs but

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they're all taking it seriously and it

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seems that these pilots and the FAA were

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very comfortable about sharing this

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information under the auspices of the it

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being a UFO an unidentified object so

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yeah it just kind of seems that maybe a

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lot of this you know taboo kind of

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giggle factor has gone away and people

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feel more comfortable sharing this sort

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of information I was hoping that would

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happen and I do agree you know and I

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think there's always going to be nervous

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laughter you know if someone sees

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something that either scares them or

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it's

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hard to explain or whatever you know I

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don't think that'll ever go away that

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someone's gonna laugh nervously yeah I

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think you're right that's a that's a

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common you know way of dealing with the

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unknown especially something that makes

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you uncomfortable is laughing about it

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but eventually that laughter moves to

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kind of an acceptance and it's almost it

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just feels like we're moving closer and

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closer to that acceptance of course the

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skeptics are still out there but at

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least they're discussing it because

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again these are unidentified the

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skeptics can say it could be this or it

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could be that and we can research it and

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figure it out and see if they're right

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and sometimes they are like with Safa

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the Chile and no organization in a UFO

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case they had recently which you know

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some two bunkers figured out what it was

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I think definitively and so that happens

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I think you had the guy who figured it

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out on on your podcast yeah Mik Mik West

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that's who it is from Medibank he

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actually was trying to debunk the you

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know the Raytheon the gimbal of video

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but um he did not actually make any

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really good points on that at all you

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know in my opinion yeah and a few other

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people looked at it too and said well

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what about this what about that you know

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I mean he just wasn't hitting all the

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points and he was just referring back to

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the Chile and you know UFO and that one

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in particular that jet was something

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like 70 50 or 75 miles away when these

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images that were released that's totally

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different

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there there you know maybe less than a

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mile I would guess I don't know I'm

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guessing it that well and the hard part

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is without documentation with these

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videos we don't know the full extent of

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the investigation we hear anecdotally

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from like Leslie and from Louise

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Elizondo that they were they were

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scrutinized by several departments and

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unfortunately much of that that

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documentation is most likely classified

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may not ever become Declassified at

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least that's our job now to get it

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Declassified out Leslie alluded to at

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least one document she's got that could

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help and hopefully that will be released

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but there was a whole investigation that

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went on of course a whole investigation

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went on with Sofia and Chile and they

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got it wrong but as is usually the case

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you know the Americans have a lot more

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resources to put towards things and I

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think they're gonna be a lot more

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careful to call something unidentified

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and in this case you know with these

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three videos now they were not able to

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identify these but you know Marc

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Dantonio the MUFON you know photo and

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video analysts it's been out there and

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he's been kind of not necessarily

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pooh-poohing the videos but saying you

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know with what we have the few seconds

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of each of these videos it could still

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be this this or that but he admits he

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doesn't have the rest of the

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investigation or more video to determine

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for sure what they are and Chris melon

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and others have admitted these videos

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are very short they on themselves are

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not substantial evidence they are just

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parts of the investigation that they

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could release so hopefully we'll find

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out more it's very likely we won't find

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out a whole lot more but yeah it's still

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a remarkable incident when you know the

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the DoD who is an authority is saying

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that these are unknown and it looks like

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the media is taking their word for it

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and even the FAA one of the groups that

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has been most close to the whole idea

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about it UFOs is now releasing

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information and saying hey yeah this is

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enone here's the information we have

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about it I think that'll be absolutely

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great if the FAA actually pays attention

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to this and there's there's no shame to

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it I don't know what other word to use

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but you know I mean like for instance

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the O'Hare sighting if that happened now

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you know I think would be taken totally

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seriously and not yeah like tucked away

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like it was you know Tucker Carlson on

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on Fox News he was really talk they were

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talking a lot about the O'Hare incident

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with Leslie Cain a really important one

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which is great because it brings

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awareness and it's an amazing event but

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the issue is just like Chris Mullin was

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talking about is where does that

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information go though that we need a

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somebody to take a serious look at this

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someone with the resources you know to

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do full research and investigation on

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these and even though elizondo's group

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exists it's not funded perhaps there's

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another group in the government we don't

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know about that is funding research into

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these areas but that we need someplace

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for this information to go and to be

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analyzed so we can figure something out

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you know Chris Mullins article was great

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his op-ed in Washington Post with third

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video right right makes me wonder that

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now that they've sort of uncovered this

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and it's being talked about if they are

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going to do more research are they going

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to be more open about it as far as you

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know the Pentagon themselves will they

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be more open about it or is it still

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going to be classified and hard to get

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any information out of them it's a great

387
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question you know I wrote my piece on

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the third video just a few days ago and

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people can take a look at that and I did

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take a little bit of a skeptical look in

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that you know we still have to face that

392
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we have had a couple comments one given

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to the son some people question their

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credibility but I know the author and I

395
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don't think she's lying where she was

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told by defense intelligence we haven't

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released any video and there's confusion

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about this group and then more recently

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seen at was told by the Department of

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Defense that we didn't release any files

401
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or videos and and I don't know what

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they're talking about of course this was

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like an assistant to the deputy so this

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is a politician essentially not really

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someone down there like Elizondo he's

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got his hands in there actually doing

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the work so and then we have what

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Elizondo and what the DoD told the New

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York Times and and and everything so

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there is still some kind of disconnect

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where the DoD has not really faced this

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issue or discussed it largely and they

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have declined some voice for requesting

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more information about these cases so

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really at least so far it doesn't seem

416
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like there any more open to sharing

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00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:04,580
information do they actually decline

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something or just not respond

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they did tell at least I know and you

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00:18:17,249 --> 00:18:15,549
know with pal Robert Powell who you had

421
00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:17,259
on the show who is investigating the

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00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:19,769
nimitz case he had some hope after

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00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,970
December that you know he might be able

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to get some documentation but they came

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00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:25,120
back and they said no we don't have

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anything whereas he knows they have

427
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:31,659
something so it becomes this game of you

428
00:18:37,139 --> 00:18:35,679
know trying to make your request done in

429
00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:37,149
the right way to get that information

430
00:18:41,369 --> 00:18:39,580
because they just try to play these

431
00:18:43,529 --> 00:18:41,379
games around the semantics of your

432
00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:43,539
requests we know they have something we

433
00:18:49,049 --> 00:18:45,480
know there were many witnesses to that

434
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:49,059
2004 San Diego event that Nimitz Carrier

435
00:18:53,580 --> 00:18:51,490
Strike Group of then and so there has to

436
00:18:55,859 --> 00:18:53,590
be some documentation we've got more

437
00:18:58,289 --> 00:18:55,869
witnesses and we have documents at this

438
00:19:01,700 --> 00:18:58,299
point and still there have to be some

439
00:19:02,999 --> 00:19:01,710
documents but so far there have been

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00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:03,009
unreleased

441
00:19:09,210 --> 00:19:05,129
the only thing we have is that video

442
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that was leaked years ago mysteriously

443
00:19:16,739 --> 00:19:12,460
and more recently was you know let out

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by the DoD via the New York Times right

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00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:19,289
well Alejandro thanks so much

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yep thank you have a great time with

447
00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:24,159
Dean I know this is gonna probably be a

448
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really fun conversation he's always a

449
00:19:31,529 --> 00:19:30,490
lot of fun and then insightful as well

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very good

451
00:19:35,310 --> 00:19:33,129
all right thanks I'll talk to you next

452
00:19:38,609 --> 00:19:35,320
week all right talk to you later all

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00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:38,619
right okay everyone so we have our

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guests coming up and Dean le Otto he he

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studied film at the University of

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Southern California and San Francisco

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State University and he did this amazing

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film we're going to talk about it when

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he was very young on a very low budget

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and and it kind of took off had a life

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00:20:04,619 --> 00:20:02,230
of its own we're gonna be talking about

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that and a lot more Dean welcome to the

463
00:20:12,139 --> 00:20:09,100
show you have to unmute Dean I am now

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unmuted first first of all I want to say

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no one rocks a Denver Broncos t-shirt

466
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,830
like Alejandro I didn't even notice that

467
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I thought Broncos were Orange

468
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something but there were some Orkut it

469
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was mostly the blue he had the blue it

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was rocking the blue okay all right yeah

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I'll have to let him know he's gone now

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but anyway it was a real pleasure

473
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meeting you out in Phoenix had some good

474
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:38,350
lies out there and I was really excited

475
00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:39,970
to get you back on this show I know

476
00:20:44,669 --> 00:20:41,470
you're on just for a few minutes out

477
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,679
there but can you tell the listening

478
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:47,440
audience that is has no clue of who you

479
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:50,130
are a little bit about yourself please

480
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sure I I'm a los angeles-based filmmaker

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I've been working in Los Angeles for

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about the past 20 years before that San

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Francisco Bay Area and and so I've kind

484
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of worked in all genres of shows even

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different formats like from TV features

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online and I there's about a third of

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the material that I do it happens to be

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UFO and alien from the past so I keep

489
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coming back to this touchdown if you

490
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will of aliens and UFOs so it's

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something that I always attribute when I

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was young and I was a kid I my father I

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was on riddlin as a kid and I had a lot

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of energy as a kid and and so we're

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talking around between 7 and 9 and so I

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was on about 10 milligrams and then that

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wasn't enough so I was put on 20 and I

498
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was put on 30 so finally that was it put

499
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me into the Walking Dead category and

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because of that during the day I was

501
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kind of like a little bit of a zombie

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and then at night it wears off and what

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happens then is Europol night like the

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Jerry Lewis telethon I saw the whole

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thing

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I didn't take any Maps no siestas for

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gain and and so what I would do is I

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would find myself looking out my window

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at night looking at the Stars and and it

510
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was this kind of way for me to I don't

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know look beyond what was going on in my

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life you know

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gonna be on my parents divorce and

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everything and I was living away from my

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brothers at the time my older my younger

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brother my older brother Mark and Matt

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and and so it was a way to kind of look

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out there and kind of escape and go

519
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beyond that and I kept going to the

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Stars and kept looking at that and so as

521
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a kid the shows that that I really

522
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reacted to was anything that was science

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fiction because that was the only time

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you'd really see a star field in a story

525
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and so it just became this thing that

526
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that started out early and and captured

527
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my imagination and the idea of

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wonderment and and and awe and so that

529
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:12,250
was kind of I think what what seeded my

530
00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:16,480
imagination as a filmmaker and so let's

531
00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:18,940
let's talk about the the film you made

532
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and I know your friend came along and he

533
00:23:27,269 --> 00:23:24,820
said he'd wanted to be a show producer

534
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:27,279
at $6,500 is that it is that the right

535
00:23:31,649 --> 00:23:29,890
number yeah cuz you know you can become

536
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:31,659
a producer in Hollywood for sixty five

537
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:33,179
hundred bucks

538
00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:37,210
so what had happened was I had just

539
00:23:40,649 --> 00:23:39,429
around the time I graduated from from

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film school or dropped out of film

541
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:42,340
school let's be honest can we can we

542
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:44,289
talk full disclosure here let's just do

543
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:48,610
two films false not one but two yeah I

544
00:23:53,250 --> 00:23:51,190
was I was just too impatient to get

545
00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:53,260
things going as a filmmaker were you out

546
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:55,929
of woodland I was out of riddlin yeah

547
00:23:59,549 --> 00:23:57,250
that was the big cause it was like now

548
00:24:03,240 --> 00:23:59,559
what do I do and I rodeo and so what

549
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:03,250
happened was all of my heroes Steven

550
00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:06,610
Spielberg Orson Welles you know Martin

551
00:24:13,409 --> 00:24:08,380
Scorsese all these guys had made their

552
00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:13,419
movies by age by before age 25 and so

553
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,149
that number was a few years away and was

554
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,919
really freaking out and so I thought

555
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:19,360
what can I do I got to make a movie and

556
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:22,090
so I had this guy that I'd gone to high

557
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,010
school with and he said hey I'll give

558
00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:25,600
you you know some money I've got a

559
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,860
little bit of some money stashed away

560
00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:28,240
and how much you got sixty-five hundred

561
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,990
and I said yeah I think I can do a home

562
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:33,760
video for that thanks but no thanks

563
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:36,070
so I went along trying to figure out

564
00:24:41,850 --> 00:24:37,419
what the hell am I gonna do and then I

565
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:41,860
read the book communion and then I took

566
00:24:44,879 --> 00:24:43,210
a flight cuz I was living in San

567
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:44,889
Francisco at the time to Los Angeles

568
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:46,510
where I was going to pitch a story and

569
00:24:52,169 --> 00:24:47,200
as

570
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:52,179
you're on the tarmac the Sun sets and

571
00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:55,210
you see the the stars come out and as

572
00:24:59,490 --> 00:24:57,549
I'm flying you know as we're taking off

573
00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:59,500
I look out the window and I'm imagining

574
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,440
what if this was me looking at the earth

575
00:25:05,639 --> 00:25:04,000
the last time I was being abducted this

576
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,649
was me looking away and for some reason

577
00:25:10,769 --> 00:25:08,080
that thought mixed with a cocktail of

578
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,779
Communion and all of the other in search

579
00:25:18,779 --> 00:25:13,120
of TV series and Close Encounters

580
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:18,789
certainly an et a big influencer I came

581
00:25:24,509 --> 00:25:21,690
up with the idea of doing a home video

582
00:25:27,299 --> 00:25:24,519
but incorporating those two things and

583
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:27,309
so when I say home video this is way

584
00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:29,350
before found-footage this is like 10

585
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:33,940
years oh she's 20 years before no no ten

586
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:36,490
years before Blair Witch and and so it

587
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,169
was just this desperation so I thought

588
00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:40,840
okay what if I videotape this is this

589
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:42,340
thing that you would have a naturally

590
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,200
have a videotape a camera out

591
00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:46,240
videotaping and so it was this girl's

592
00:25:51,389 --> 00:25:48,100
birthday party in a cabin up in the

593
00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:51,399
hills and so and then there's a blackout

594
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:53,500
and they go out to investigate and one

595
00:25:58,799 --> 00:25:55,570
by one they get abducted by aliens so

596
00:26:01,440 --> 00:25:58,809
that was a conceit and and we we

597
00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:01,450
improvised it all I had a 10 page

598
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:03,340
outline that I worked off of and we

599
00:26:07,259 --> 00:26:05,080
improvised for like two weeks had a

600
00:26:11,399 --> 00:26:07,269
pretty well dialed in went out and shot

601
00:26:14,899 --> 00:26:11,409
it in one night and the the ship and the

602
00:26:19,129 --> 00:26:14,909
aliens was produced for about 750 bucks

603
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,139
the guy who did those very talented

604
00:26:23,879 --> 00:26:22,210
production designer Bill Bowes would go

605
00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:23,889
on to do the first Fantastic Four film

606
00:26:29,009 --> 00:26:26,860
and work with Tim Burton on our many of

607
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:29,019
the animation stuff stop-motion and

608
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:31,240
stuff he did and so anyway we we shot

609
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:35,049
this thing and and it was this kind of

610
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:36,970
experimental thing that was more or less

611
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:39,610
just to get me past the hurdle of making

612
00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:41,620
my first film so that was the final goal

613
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:43,779
that was achieved and then at that point

614
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:46,360
we had our screening which Jacques

615
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:50,049
Vallee attended and through a mutual

616
00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:53,440
friend and enjoyed it and we had a

617
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:54,820
conversation after which was pretty

618
00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:56,620
pretty funny because I just wanted to

619
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,059
talk to him about aliens and all he

620
00:27:00,930 --> 00:26:59,679
wanted to talk to me about was making

621
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:00,940
movies so we

622
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:03,390
to kind of meet in the middle and so I'm

623
00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:06,070
it ended up getting it getting

624
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:09,390
distributed and so kind of happy ending

625
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,980
except the distribution company burned

626
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:12,640
to the ground

627
00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:16,330
literally and so we need a minute it was

628
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:18,190
just before you move on what type of

629
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:20,890
process was it in at the time I mean

630
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:22,990
when you say burned to the ground

631
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:26,130
it burned down with some original

632
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:30,250
footage or something you know flames and

633
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:31,960
fire that's what happened and it

634
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:33,940
literally burned to the I'm not saying

635
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:35,590
that the the guy who owned the

636
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:36,970
distribution company set her on the fire

637
00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:39,220
for insurance reasons it wouldn't be the

638
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:42,040
first time had that happened but anyway

639
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:44,170
that was it so I lost my main master and

640
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:46,510
all my artwork and I forgot all right

641
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:49,450
well that's it time to move on so flash

642
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:53,650
forward a few years later and I get a

643
00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:56,170
call from this guy named Sean David

644
00:28:02,640 --> 00:27:59,530
Morton and and Sean is saying that he

645
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:02,650
represents people who are interests in

646
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:04,660
this film he tells me he says do you

647
00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:05,800
know anything about this found footage

648
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:07,240
which is the first time I'd ever heard

649
00:28:14,790 --> 00:28:09,690
this I think we're talking about maybe

650
00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:14,800
1992 around and maybe 93 and he says

651
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:18,580
that I guessed a few screeners or

652
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:20,380
password got out to some mom-and-pop

653
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:22,660
video stores before the she company

654
00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:23,350
burned to the ground

655
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:26,260
so someone much clever more clever than

656
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:26,710
I am

657
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:29,530
edited off the credits and pass it

658
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:32,350
around other day as the real McCoy so it

659
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:34,450
ended up the International UFO Congress

660
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:37,110
convention and I believe 93 and

661
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:40,810
supposedly just you know brought the

662
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,440
house down

663
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,120
Lieutenant Colonel retired lieutenant

664
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:45,760
colonel Don where claimant was authentic

665
00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:49,600
and so did a researcher Tom dango and so

666
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:52,060
can we come here and all this Tony hold

667
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:55,230
you right now just so you're saying that

668
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:57,250
let me get this straight

669
00:29:02,370 --> 00:29:00,190
so the distribution company burns to the

670
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:02,380
ground but they had a few screeners that

671
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,420
went out there someone actually took

672
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:06,820
that and they removed you from it

673
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:10,360
removed all the credits yeah and then

674
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:12,010
they melted out there is a real like

675
00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:14,890
this is real found footage and this yes

676
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:17,430
till 10 years before Blair Witch or so

677
00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:24,130
exactly well yeah okay so I kind of

678
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:25,720
laugh and I go well no one found it we

679
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:27,310
made it and he says all right well

680
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:29,920
unsolved mystery business out and I'm

681
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:32,590
like dude who are you and he says okay

682
00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:33,790
so here's what's going on tells me the

683
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:37,060
whole story and he says I'm spelled

684
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:38,440
mysteries was interest

685
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:40,270
he said we might be able to get around

686
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:41,740
that and I go well they've the mystery

687
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,750
so that's now this is oK we've got a

688
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:45,840
hard copy and we have a show called

689
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:50,710
encounters for [\h__\h] and so I end up on

690
00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:53,260
Fox as this the world's grass UFO hoax

691
00:29:58,590 --> 00:29:56,230
this is before alien autopsy or anything

692
00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:58,600
and so I go on in the enemy and

693
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:00,070
everything and it's still to me this

694
00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:03,250
kind of amusing thing that that the the

695
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:05,590
impetus for it was is that I had never

696
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:08,500
been abducted by aliens and or any other

697
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:10,540
whatever species they could be or our

698
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:13,930
future beings whatever but I thought how

699
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:16,810
do i how do i experience that and show

700
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:18,310
it to audiences so that's that was the

701
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:21,580
conceit of this and so so the thing

702
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:24,880
continued circulating and then the

703
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:26,140
Japanese reached out to me and they

704
00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:27,670
wanted some of the footage and it just

705
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:29,800
became this whole thing and I thought

706
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:32,970
that that was the end of the story so

707
00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:35,140
then about two years later I'm working

708
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:37,060
on the Steven J Cannell crime series and

709
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:38,980
the head writer of the show Paul [\h__\h]

710
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:41,350
lick says to me I heard about this video

711
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:43,510
I want it I want to see it and I said no

712
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:45,610
no that's it's all hand held it's really

713
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,350
weird there'd it's handheld it's like

714
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:49,630
it's this home video I mean like sure to

715
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:52,030
me so I finally show it to him and he

716
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:54,490
watches it and he says I dig it I can

717
00:30:59,700 --> 00:30:56,680
get us a TV movie deal with this and I

718
00:31:02,670 --> 00:30:59,710
flippantly said okay Paul um you can you

719
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:02,680
know write the script I'll have a story

720
00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:05,110
by credit and I'll direct it will

721
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:07,060
produce it together the next day we had

722
00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:09,280
a meeting at Dick Clark Productions so

723
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:10,900
we went there we didn't say anything we

724
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:12,760
just shook Neal Stern's hands who was

725
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:14,620
the head of the TV division at the time

726
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:17,140
and we put in the tape from Encounters

727
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:20,200
the six-minute tape he watched it shook

728
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,030
our hands laughed and said you guys have

729
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:24,240
a deal that was my first Hollywood deal

730
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:28,750
so now we were

731
00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:30,010
we've you know we go out and we're

732
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,539
shopping it to networks and stuff we go

733
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:34,240
to Fox and Mike Darnell who was there

734
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,490
was the guy who was green lighting the

735
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,679
films for reality TV passes he says that

736
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:44,080
people lose careers over this and then a

737
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:46,090
year later he ends up doing a alien

738
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:51,549
autopsy over that with Bob Kim yet and

739
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:56,049
then and then I then we end up doing it

740
00:32:02,789 --> 00:31:59,470
at UPN and now the budget is 1.25

741
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,799
million so normally as a filmmaker you'd

742
00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:04,720
be very excited about that but I still

743
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:06,039
know that the parameters of what I'm

744
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:07,330
doing is essentially something's going

745
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:08,590
to be shot in one night

746
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:10,840
at least a week so I don't know how to

747
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:13,240
spend that much money so I'm like you

748
00:32:15,299 --> 00:32:13,390
know

749
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,309
jeez can we get the guys from the

750
00:32:19,409 --> 00:32:16,960
x-files so we get the guys from the

751
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:19,419
x-files or the ship in aliens and so we

752
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:21,909
go up in Vancouver and now that 1.25

753
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:24,190
million is going to come in around 1.7

754
00:32:30,779 --> 00:32:27,970
and so kind of more stress is coming and

755
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:30,789
we end up coming about 500,000 under

756
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:34,090
budget which is great because my my

757
00:32:39,899 --> 00:32:37,690
awesome agent had negotiated a deal to

758
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:39,909
get a percentage under I could incentive

759
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:41,110
for a filmmaker to come in under budget

760
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:45,760
and so we made the thing and and it was

761
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:47,830
great we we shot in a week we did five

762
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:51,340
20-minute takes and this time it was

763
00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:55,000
scripted the only snafu really there are

764
00:32:59,730 --> 00:32:57,100
two staffers the first one was that the

765
00:33:02,159 --> 00:32:59,740
movie was timing out as instead of two

766
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:02,169
hours it was timing out as an hour so

767
00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:07,330
what that means is that it'll only play

768
00:33:10,529 --> 00:33:08,620
for an hour and is supposed to be two

769
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,539
hours and that's you know with the with

770
00:33:15,779 --> 00:33:12,610
the commercial etc all that all those

771
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:15,789
breaks and so we essentially had to

772
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:18,370
write a whole other script so I came up

773
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:20,890
with a new outline I handed half the the

774
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:22,900
outline to Paul I wrote the other half

775
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:26,860
including the the confessional where

776
00:33:31,649 --> 00:33:29,049
Tommy the kid who shooting it goes into

777
00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:31,659
the bathroom and says you know he fears

778
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:33,940
for his life and he's gonna die etc and

779
00:33:37,289 --> 00:33:36,400
so the crew were great I mean one of

780
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:37,299
them had tickets to the World Series

781
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:40,600
that the cast it and they decided to to

782
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:42,700
stay and put in the time to memorize it

783
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,740
and so for shooting this and we're back

784
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:46,960
on track everything's great and then we

785
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:49,960
get the call the call is that everyone

786
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:53,710
at UPN has been fired so I don't know

787
00:33:59,610 --> 00:33:56,530
what that means at the time I'm I'm I'm

788
00:34:01,470 --> 00:33:59,620
you know new to noodle all this and so

789
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,480
what happens is we come back and I'm

790
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:04,960
forced to deliver a final cut in two

791
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:06,700
weeks time which is pretty much unheard

792
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:07,300
of

793
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:09,310
so we grind and get the whole thing done

794
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:11,740
including effects and everything it's

795
00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:15,000
shown it at UPN and the head of UPN

796
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:18,820
watches it and literally apparently

797
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:20,860
someone in his group were throwing food

798
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:22,690
at the screen said it was the worst

799
00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:25,660
piece of crap they'd ever seen they were

800
00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:27,880
going what the hell are you guys up to

801
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:29,740
with this network this is their first TV

802
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,230
movie and they're like you did 20-minute

803
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,720
takes no name actors handheld

804
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,540
and he shot it digitally what the hell

805
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:41,200
is that and so all of these firsts that

806
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:43,600
were to come later on were grossly not

807
00:34:49,410 --> 00:34:47,200
appreciated and so I get fired from the

808
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:49,420
project and they bring in this woman to

809
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:51,550
shoot some more interviews and then

810
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:53,170
infuse those into it and cut the show

811
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,650
down to an hour unfortunately that the

812
00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:58,960
interviews that she got in there that

813
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:01,960
she in inter integrated into it were

814
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:05,050
actually real UFO researchers not the

815
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:08,110
ones that we had that were fictional so

816
00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:10,150
it again it diverted from its natural

817
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:11,980
path which was to be a fictional you

818
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,570
know movie like War of the Worlds type

819
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:16,480
thing and so enter Stanton Friedman he

820
00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:18,670
gets interviewed so does Yvonne Smith

821
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:21,070
and a few other people and they're

822
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:23,650
juxtaposed against the actual real

823
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:25,180
people and the footage so it looks like

824
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:27,370
they're commenting on the footage so

825
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:29,710
when it aired that was the first time I

826
00:35:34,110 --> 00:35:32,260
saw the show as well so it was

827
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,120
mortifying for me because you know Stan

828
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Freedman has been one of my idols and

829
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:37,930
you know with the whole Roswell Breaking

830
00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:40,660
and everything that story so it was a a

831
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:43,420
little bit of a bittersweet thing for me

832
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:45,880
but you know it got me into the

833
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:47,980
directors guild and and got my first

834
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:51,460
film done and then they did an online

835
00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:53,830
poll to see if people still believed it

836
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:55,840
was real half

837
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,910
of the audience this is the first online

838
00:36:02,880 --> 00:35:59,440
poll that I'm aware of that had never

839
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:02,890
taken place on a on a show before half

840
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:04,710
of the audience believe that it was real

841
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:07,180
even after seeing credits alien one

842
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:10,270
played by someone so alien to alien 3 so

843
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:13,180
I didn't get what that meant and what it

844
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:16,810
meant is is the internet again this is

845
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,480
like 98 the internet was burgeoning was

846
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:21,280
just coming in and all of a sudden it

847
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:22,930
starts feeding it starts building and

848
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:25,770
then it becomes this huge conspiracy and

849
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:28,510
then they do more and more research and

850
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:31,330
then the list of conspiracy theories

851
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:34,540
starts building and escalating and side

852
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:38,080
that the three main ones are that it was

853
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:40,600
based on that the remake was actually

854
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:43,120
based on a real video of an alien

855
00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:45,640
abduction and they cite my original one

856
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:49,840
as being the real one the second one is

857
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:54,790
that that I work for the government and

858
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:57,310
that I'm part of some disinformation

859
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:02,220
campaign and and the third one is that

860
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:05,350
there is still some some video out there

861
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:07,180
separate from mine a video out there

862
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:08,770
that is actually the real thing that

863
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:12,670
that that I've you know spun into you

864
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:14,290
know this whole big disinformation

865
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:18,730
campaign so I've you know my first

866
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,110
reaction was this is awful this is

867
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:22,720
horrible I can't believe this you know

868
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:24,490
this is not my intention and I have

869
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:26,830
documentation to prove all that but that

870
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:28,060
doesn't matter because it's the Internet

871
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:30,490
you know fake news rules and then I kind

872
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:32,380
of rolled with it it took me a while

873
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:34,930
though to kind of somewhat embrace it

874
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:37,090
and say all right well this is the you

875
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:40,180
know modern mythology is it's not built

876
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,490
on you know from cavemen to cavemen

877
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:44,800
telling the story or this to that it's

878
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:48,970
now word of net and so so the internet

879
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:52,780
carries that and so um you know I kind

880
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:54,250
of let this thing lie dormant and in the

881
00:38:01,800 --> 00:37:55,810
meantime over the years I've watched the

882
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:01,810
conspiracies build and and then I meet

883
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:04,600
Alejandro and and I'm invited to come

884
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,390
out to speak at the International UFO

885
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:09,040
Congress convention for the 25th

886
00:38:14,339 --> 00:38:09,640
anniversary

887
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:14,349
of my original UFO abduction and so I

888
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:16,150
was out there and I got a chance to do

889
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:19,450
your podcast sitting across from Yvonne

890
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Smith and and Stan Freedman and and then

891
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:25,930
and Travis Walton and Nick Pope and a

892
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:27,430
whole bunch of other illumine Ares dr.

893
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:32,380
Bob etc and that was just fantastic

894
00:38:36,779 --> 00:38:34,750
that was that was great it was like the

895
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:36,789
icing on the cake and got a chance to

896
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:39,220
apologize and Stan had no memory of ever

897
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:40,990
even doing 'through fee so I've been

898
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:42,970
harboring this fear I got to do meet

899
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:45,369
Coppola I have to apologize and like

900
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:46,510
yeah whatever

901
00:38:54,359 --> 00:38:51,430
so um anyway yeah so oh and then I heard

902
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:54,369
my favorite conspiracy theory about me

903
00:39:01,339 --> 00:38:57,180
which is in the 70s there was a mayor

904
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:01,349
named Joseph Alioto in San Francisco and

905
00:39:11,009 --> 00:39:06,750
this conspiracy is that that I'm his son

906
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:11,019
now the mayor was a great mayor he was

907
00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:12,670
being groomed for presidency and then

908
00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:15,069
Look magazine which is not doing too out

909
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:16,869
the time came out with a story linking

910
00:39:20,999 --> 00:39:19,240
him to the Mafia house and this is not a

911
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:21,009
conspiracy they linked him to the Mafia

912
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:23,650
and which he was not connected to and he

913
00:39:29,069 --> 00:39:25,329
proved it because he's a better lawyer

914
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:29,079
than he is a even a mayor and he he sued

915
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:31,990
look for magazine 420 million and one

916
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,880
which is why there's no longer Look

917
00:39:38,579 --> 00:39:35,200
magazine they went bankrupt and

918
00:39:41,759 --> 00:39:38,589
destroyed so I never met the guy I think

919
00:39:44,099 --> 00:39:41,769
my grandparent or my great-grandfather

920
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,109
my great grandfather brought a cousin

921
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:46,180
over and that was the mayor's father or

922
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:47,650
something but never no one ever knew if

923
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:49,569
there were first second or third we all

924
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,210
came from the same place in Italy anyway

925
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:53,920
there's a lot of alley at us so I've

926
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:55,720
never met the guy he's passed away since

927
00:40:00,660 --> 00:39:58,089
then that that was great so the belief

928
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:00,670
was that the government got to my father

929
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:05,650
the ex-mayor who got to me and I agreed

930
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:07,210
to work with the government to do this

931
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:10,210
so that was a whole new one that I heard

932
00:40:15,029 --> 00:40:12,730
at the convention did you did you have

933
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:15,039
any actually confrontations with anyone

934
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:17,109
that was you know I remember you telling

935
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,109
some story about someone was said they

936
00:40:28,189 --> 00:40:21,839
knew the people in the film

937
00:40:29,809 --> 00:40:28,199
or something yeah there was um well not

938
00:40:34,969 --> 00:40:29,819
not at the convention there was someone

939
00:40:39,709 --> 00:40:34,979
who said sent me an email and said how

940
00:40:43,309 --> 00:40:39,719
do you explain the fact that my mother

941
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:43,319
is no longer friends with wait my

942
00:40:48,469 --> 00:40:45,630
mother's best friends is no longer

943
00:40:51,319 --> 00:40:48,479
friends with the Macpherson's which is

944
00:40:52,219 --> 00:40:51,329
what the the remake I did was it was

945
00:40:53,779 --> 00:40:52,229
called the Macpherson to have the

946
00:40:57,709 --> 00:40:53,789
original version then it became alien

947
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:57,719
abduction incident Lake County and and I

948
00:41:03,709 --> 00:41:00,150
emailed back and I said I I really can't

949
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:03,719
explain how your mother's best friend is

950
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:05,849
no longer friends with fictional

951
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:10,619
characters but there were a few people

952
00:41:14,749 --> 00:41:12,380
that were at the convention that

953
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,759
Alejandro said hey and this is after I

954
00:41:18,949 --> 00:41:16,920
spoke in a panel is there anyone that

955
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,959
still believes that that Dean isn't

956
00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:20,339
telling the truth and this that this

957
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,949
might actually be real and in the back

958
00:41:28,339 --> 00:41:24,839
of course in the back of the theater a

959
00:41:29,479 --> 00:41:28,349
few people raised their hands and these

960
00:41:33,289 --> 00:41:29,489
are the ones who were willing to raise

961
00:41:36,259 --> 00:41:33,299
their hands and so um at the end of it

962
00:41:38,299 --> 00:41:36,269
at the end the panel Alejandro held up

963
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,309
my movie and said Dean wants to give

964
00:41:42,049 --> 00:41:40,079
whoever still believes it a copy of his

965
00:41:44,359 --> 00:41:42,059
movie free of charge here it is this is

966
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:44,369
yeah no one would come up and claim it

967
00:41:52,759 --> 00:41:49,410
yeah that's all right and so the

968
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:52,769
original is that still floating around

969
00:41:58,759 --> 00:41:55,729
somewhere like the ones that the people

970
00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,769
got out you know without your credits or

971
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:01,170
anything's that's still out there door

972
00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:03,150
do you remove it from YouTube how do you

973
00:42:11,509 --> 00:42:07,709
how do you take care of like a lady keep

974
00:42:14,929 --> 00:42:11,519
her my IP yeah so what happens is once a

975
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:14,939
month I go online the YouTube copyright

976
00:42:22,789 --> 00:42:17,729
infringement and I have become real good

977
00:42:25,969 --> 00:42:22,799
buds and I have I shut them down for two

978
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:25,979
reasons one is I own this and and it's

979
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:29,099
my IP and hold the copyright the second

980
00:42:32,809 --> 00:42:31,049
is that they're showing really really

981
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:32,819
crappy versions of it so that's not

982
00:42:36,329 --> 00:42:34,859
great no filmmaker wants the fifth

983
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:36,339
generation or something

984
00:42:41,609 --> 00:42:39,430
yeah with with you know static across

985
00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:41,619
the screen at some of the key points and

986
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:43,329
everything and some of that lens at the

987
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:46,390
crowded credibility I guess but it's

988
00:42:50,849 --> 00:42:49,089
just they're missing some of the nuances

989
00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:50,859
and stuff and like you see the alien

990
00:42:57,059 --> 00:42:52,449
outside the window and and that you

991
00:42:59,969 --> 00:42:57,069
don't see with that so so for when when

992
00:43:03,959 --> 00:42:59,979
Alejandro when we talked about me coming

993
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:03,969
out there I decided to go back to my

994
00:43:07,709 --> 00:43:06,249
originals so even though the master was

995
00:43:11,219 --> 00:43:07,719
destroyed the actual tapes that was

996
00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:11,229
recorded on was not and so what I

997
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:13,059
actually did is I went online and I

998
00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:15,670
found a bootleg copy of my movie and I

999
00:43:19,739 --> 00:43:18,279
used that to mark where the cuts were

1000
00:43:21,809 --> 00:43:19,749
and had gone back to my original

1001
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:21,819
original footage which which was shot on

1002
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:24,190
8 millimeter stereo who was the first

1003
00:43:29,969 --> 00:43:25,900
stereo camera for eight millimeter video

1004
00:43:33,979 --> 00:43:29,979
and and I remastered it digitally

1005
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:33,989
remastered it and I up res dit and

1006
00:43:40,469 --> 00:43:36,190
created a whole new master for it and

1007
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,479
then I put in the the encounters segment

1008
00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:41,680
Fox encounters behind the scenes

1009
00:43:49,499 --> 00:43:44,799
segments of it merited to it and and so

1010
00:43:52,859 --> 00:43:49,509
now I am selling the actual movie for

1011
00:43:54,989 --> 00:43:52,869
for downloads and DVDs and and and

1012
00:43:59,309 --> 00:43:54,999
everything so it is now for the first

1013
00:44:01,319 --> 00:43:59,319
time ever available one funny thing is

1014
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:01,329
that there had been people over the

1015
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:03,249
years who sent me money

1016
00:44:10,529 --> 00:44:07,690
wanting copies of the film and and I

1017
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:10,539
sent out a couple and then I had lost

1018
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:13,599
several like half a dozen and I when I

1019
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,130
went into storage and I was digging out

1020
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:17,680
to get all that the tapes I found the

1021
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,160
the 15 that I did not send out and I

1022
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:24,400
found all these and I spent about a week

1023
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,440
tracking them down and I was able to

1024
00:44:32,939 --> 00:44:29,680
reach maybe a third almost half of them

1025
00:44:36,059 --> 00:44:32,949
and I reached out and call these guys or

1026
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,069
through LinkedIn or Facebook and freaked

1027
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:37,599
them out there's a lot of acid

1028
00:44:41,849 --> 00:44:39,569
flashbacks for these guys because yeah

1029
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:41,859
some of them were varying ages and stuff

1030
00:44:45,059 --> 00:44:43,390
and I reach out to them I'm like oh my

1031
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:45,069
god dude you have no idea how much it

1032
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,049
affected my childhood I still sleep with

1033
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:49,119
the lights on and everything else and

1034
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:49,660
what

1035
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:52,299
apologize for and so anyway I ended up

1036
00:44:58,460 --> 00:44:55,150
sending them out the videos you know 15

1037
00:45:01,079 --> 00:44:58,470
years later so or 20 years later

1038
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:01,089
not exactly overnight Wow

1039
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:04,420
no yes not not not UPS or FedEx for sure

1040
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:07,650
so I watched the version the UPN version

1041
00:45:15,059 --> 00:45:11,380
after they brought in you know Stan

1042
00:45:18,329 --> 00:45:15,069
Freedman Derrel Sims Yvonne Smith a few

1043
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:18,339
others I gotta tell you it was really

1044
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:21,400
good I really thought it was very well

1045
00:45:27,569 --> 00:45:22,630
done

1046
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:27,579
but the so not including the actual you

1047
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:29,500
know when they come in I'm talking about

1048
00:45:34,829 --> 00:45:32,049
the real experts not talking about that

1049
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:34,839
but did you do all the filming prior to

1050
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:38,710
that you know the the mcpherson tape so

1051
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:41,349
to speak yeah all the footage my

1052
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:43,299
original footage especially in a

1053
00:45:49,289 --> 00:45:46,390
two-hour version it's everything that

1054
00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:49,299
happens with all that's my footage and

1055
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,299
then there's some interstitial

1056
00:45:57,059 --> 00:45:53,680
interviews in fact in the foreign

1057
00:45:59,940 --> 00:45:57,069
version I play I play this this

1058
00:46:04,650 --> 00:45:59,950
filmmaker and I say that there's no way

1059
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:04,660
this is fake because you know if it was

1060
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:05,890
I would have been the one to have made

1061
00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:08,200
it and that was a funny little nod that

1062
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:09,819
that we put in there kind of an easter

1063
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,460
egg so to speak in the international

1064
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:14,640
version so the domestic version cut out

1065
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:19,089
some of those including me and and they

1066
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:20,349
put in the new ones and then they also

1067
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:22,510
had this woman who was going around as

1068
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:24,250
if she was a reporter tracking this case

1069
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:28,660
and so that stuff I had zero to do with

1070
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:33,700
in fact the woman who who came in to do

1071
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:33,910
that

1072
00:46:40,019 --> 00:46:37,089
tried to get art credits removed and so

1073
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:40,029
the DGA this is what they do and sing

1074
00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:41,950
with the WGA so they went after them and

1075
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:43,420
that was quickly nipped in the bud and

1076
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:45,700
she got a credit this is additional

1077
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:49,000
interviews by so um so what you saw was

1078
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,940
all my footage except for you know

1079
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:53,440
Stanton and a couple of other people

1080
00:46:58,829 --> 00:46:56,500
interviews and that's it so well I gotta

1081
00:47:02,339 --> 00:46:58,839
tell you I can I can totally get where

1082
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:02,349
someone if they stumbled across that or

1083
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:03,160
walked

1084
00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:05,170
in the middle of it they could actually

1085
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:07,600
that's actually believable I mean it's

1086
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:10,200
really well done they the actors are

1087
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:14,350
extremely believable and you know

1088
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:16,030
overall I thought there was some really

1089
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:18,790
good twists and turns for instance when

1090
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:22,180
the the fuse box is melting and the

1091
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:24,310
battery in the car is melting and and

1092
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:26,740
all those type of things you know things

1093
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,360
that people have well they haven't

1094
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:29,680
really talked about those type of things

1095
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,330
but they have talked about you know

1096
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:33,520
electromagnetic you know interference

1097
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:35,560
when you know some encounters happen and

1098
00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:39,070
stuff like that but anyway I thought it

1099
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:41,740
was a very convincing and I can actually

1100
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:46,510
see why people are you know questioning

1101
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:50,050
whether it's real or not that's that's a

1102
00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:51,910
huge compliment to the cast and crew I

1103
00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:55,600
mean these guys really work their asses

1104
00:48:01,920 --> 00:47:58,300
off what we had done for rehearsal is we

1105
00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:01,930
we got a warehouse and then taped off

1106
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:04,750
there the actual measurements of the

1107
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:05,890
house we're gonna be shooting that and

1108
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,080
so the hardest thing for these actors

1109
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:09,520
were to do is you look at you go all

1110
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:12,130
well they're just you know a lot of

1111
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:13,030
people just think oh they're just

1112
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:14,740
improvising and the first one certainly

1113
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:16,690
we did that and the second one there was

1114
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:18,820
no improvising it was all written out

1115
00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:20,980
the toughest part for the actors was to

1116
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:23,620
turn their back to the camera no actor

1117
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:25,510
ever wants to do that so I would say

1118
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:27,730
this scene you're all of you guys your

1119
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:29,890
back is to the camera the camera will

1120
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:34,030
find you and so so that was a challenge

1121
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:35,890
for them and also when we were doing

1122
00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:38,170
casting there were a couple actors that

1123
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:40,750
could not swear we're shooting in Canada

1124
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:43,450
I guess it's it's not something that

1125
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:46,270
that they were known for at least in the

1126
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:48,130
90s this one actor it was very very

1127
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:50,860
funny I kept saying can I swear out on

1128
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:53,950
this by the way well no yeah we will say

1129
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,390
we'll say the f-word would you say

1130
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:56,800
therefore he couldn't say the f-word he

1131
00:49:02,070 --> 00:48:58,990
kept saying friggin and when he was

1132
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:02,080
supposed to say the SH word he would go

1133
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:06,720
shoot shoot and so anyway it was it was

1134
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:10,150
humorous but the the cast really brought

1135
00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:14,470
it the crew was fantastic top-notch they

1136
00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:16,839
were pulling out all the stops for it

1137
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:20,680
and and so I felt like we were you know

1138
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:22,450
taking care of everyone got on board

1139
00:49:26,969 --> 00:49:24,430
with it because we all knew that we were

1140
00:49:29,249 --> 00:49:26,979
doing something special that was the the

1141
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:29,259
one thing that that got us through some

1142
00:49:33,029 --> 00:49:31,630
of the long nights again this is a TV

1143
00:49:35,729 --> 00:49:33,039
movie all shot in a week which had never

1144
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:35,739
been done before so they had to be on

1145
00:49:39,209 --> 00:49:37,630
their a-game and I got to say the crew

1146
00:49:39,509 --> 00:49:39,219
up in Vancouver rocked the hell out of

1147
00:49:41,459 --> 00:49:39,519
it

1148
00:49:46,019 --> 00:49:41,469
Wow so no wonder you came in under

1149
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:46,029
budget yeah yeah I mean I would say

1150
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,460
stuff to the the effects guys like I

1151
00:49:52,979 --> 00:49:50,079
would say can we you know can we see the

1152
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:52,989
smoke coming out when windows fuel the

1153
00:49:59,279 --> 00:49:54,430
fuse box like you must mention in the

1154
00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:59,289
engine when they blow out can we see

1155
00:50:03,450 --> 00:50:01,180
that yeah we can do that we can time it

1156
00:50:05,489 --> 00:50:03,460
so when it happens we do that and so

1157
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:05,499
just so you can see the mechanics behind

1158
00:50:10,499 --> 00:50:08,049
how we shot this we had a cameraman who

1159
00:50:11,729 --> 00:50:10,509
we hired in the original version UFO

1160
00:50:14,249 --> 00:50:11,739
abduction

1161
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:14,259
I was the cameraman and played the kit

1162
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:17,650
and in the remake

1163
00:50:23,219 --> 00:50:20,890
we hired specifically a DP and so the DP

1164
00:50:25,859 --> 00:50:23,229
is on a headset with me so I'm looking

1165
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:25,869
at one monitor and I'm I'm sequestered

1166
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,960
away in this room that you don't see and

1167
00:50:33,569 --> 00:50:31,359
I'm telling the camera pan right pan

1168
00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:33,579
left and then I've got another headset

1169
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:36,009
here and that one I'm cueing

1170
00:50:43,709 --> 00:50:40,450
the the crew this the first ad Gareth

1171
00:50:46,799 --> 00:50:43,719
great guy I'm cueing him too to cue the

1172
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:46,809
effects and cue all this stuff and we

1173
00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:49,390
have an actor who's playing the kid who

1174
00:50:54,359 --> 00:50:51,700
has to navigate around

1175
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:54,369
so whenever the cameraman you know like

1176
00:50:59,489 --> 00:50:55,930
sets the camera down so that we can have

1177
00:51:01,469 --> 00:50:59,499
the the actor who's playing him Tommy

1178
00:51:03,329 --> 00:51:01,479
comes out he sets it down and they're

1179
00:51:05,609 --> 00:51:03,339
dressed the same so sometimes a care man

1180
00:51:08,009 --> 00:51:05,619
will look down in his shoes and cuz he's

1181
00:51:10,469 --> 00:51:08,019
dressed exactly like the kid a grown man

1182
00:51:13,319 --> 00:51:10,479
and so um it was a bit of a juggling act

1183
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:13,329
and at some point I will say I think on

1184
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,390
by Friday or 13th by Thursday the

1185
00:51:20,789 --> 00:51:18,640
cameraman got into the zone as they say

1186
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:20,799
and there wasn't too much direction I

1187
00:51:24,989 --> 00:51:22,569
gave him we had rehearsed it but he just

1188
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:24,999
went off and he was in it and part of

1189
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:29,200
the panic and everything and and so we

1190
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:30,670
were all kind of into this

1191
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:36,310
Berner mental same and yeah Wow I'm glad

1192
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:38,140
that you enjoyed you had to do a little

1193
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:41,650
voiceover in situations like that as far

1194
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:44,170
as the kids voice with the camera no

1195
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:45,880
running along with the camera that's

1196
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:48,400
yeah well he was right there the one

1197
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:49,240
hour version

1198
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:51,430
they to link some of the things that

1199
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:53,080
they did because I did cut it down they

1200
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:54,820
brought in a sound-alike who sounded I

1201
00:52:01,200 --> 00:51:58,570
didn't think very much like him and so

1202
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:01,210
that was a few places in the in the

1203
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:03,030
one-hour version that that bridged that

1204
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:07,600
but the kid plane tommy the guy plane

1205
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:09,010
Tommy he had to be right next to the

1206
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,930
cameramen as literally was holding his

1207
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:12,640
belt behind him yeah and so he was

1208
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:14,770
giving him all the the lines feeding it

1209
00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:18,670
I got it you know before I I want to

1210
00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:20,560
move on but before I move on I want to

1211
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:23,470
invite people to call in if they have

1212
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,530
any questions about this film or

1213
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:27,760
questions actually for the guest the

1214
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:30,430
Colin numbers up on YouTube if you'd

1215
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:33,730
like to call in feel free also we have

1216
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:35,470
some of that some moderating that the

1217
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:37,480
chat if you would rather just post a

1218
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:40,300
question on chat about this film before

1219
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,530
we move on to other topics go ahead and

1220
00:52:47,790 --> 00:52:46,240
so I'll just keep on this subject just

1221
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:47,800
for a little bit longer and then we'll

1222
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:53,500
move on so as far as what do you think

1223
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:55,960
will happen well you think this will

1224
00:53:03,350 --> 00:52:58,330
continue getting out there and people

1225
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:06,510
boy in today's day and age it can only

1226
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:10,630
build so I mean just going to to the

1227
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:12,250
convention alone I heard you know like I

1228
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:15,700
said a few more theories and we type in

1229
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:17,770
my name and alien or UFO abduction and

1230
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:19,510
it goes on for hundreds of pages it's

1231
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:22,930
it's um it's a it was a part of me

1232
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:24,760
that's that's kind of frightened because

1233
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:28,090
of how it's affected politics today the

1234
00:53:31,650 --> 00:53:29,980
fact that people are unable to discern

1235
00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:31,660
what's real and what isn't

1236
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:33,340
you know when you and I grew up there

1237
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:35,230
were three networks

1238
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:38,290
not counting UHF and so you'd get your

1239
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:41,650
news from you know you know dan Rather

1240
00:53:47,250 --> 00:53:44,680
our Peter Jennings or Tom broke

1241
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,260
and that was it and you would you would

1242
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,880
just tune in and you'd get that and you

1243
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:50,339
took their word that was it now

1244
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,260
conglomerates all they own as you know

1245
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,839
many news organizations so the agenda is

1246
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,520
pushed wherever they want it to go so

1247
00:54:02,760 --> 00:53:59,680
the news slants one way or the other and

1248
00:54:06,269 --> 00:54:02,770
and it becomes a big vacuum and you know

1249
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:06,279
there's a lot of people on Facebook who

1250
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,849
have who have cleared out and gotten rid

1251
00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:11,920
of all the people who are on one side

1252
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:14,440
are not on their side and so the problem

1253
00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:15,430
with that is then you just have this

1254
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:19,960
echo chamber and so you know I think I

1255
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:21,400
might be going off topic here but I

1256
00:54:24,299 --> 00:54:22,869
think that there's kind of a bigger

1257
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:24,309
picture of where this is going and I

1258
00:54:27,569 --> 00:54:25,750
think that you can just like you can

1259
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:27,579
pick your own movies you can pick your

1260
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:30,630
own truth and so I think that that you

1261
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:34,390
know the fact that UFOs and aliens are

1262
00:54:43,529 --> 00:54:38,130
so prevalent and they're the second most

1263
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:43,539
googled you know I searched item on the

1264
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:44,049
Internet

1265
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:47,950
second only to porn shows that it's you

1266
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:52,470
know it's pretty it's it's a pretty huge

1267
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:55,720
part of the general public's interest

1268
00:54:59,549 --> 00:54:57,220
and so I think it's going to continue

1269
00:55:01,170 --> 00:54:59,559
and and and you know I have a few more

1270
00:55:04,589 --> 00:55:01,180
projects that I'm considering working on

1271
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:04,599
in this space and in development on so

1272
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:07,710
um you know not to continue propagating

1273
00:55:13,859 --> 00:55:11,920
propagating more you know anything

1274
00:55:17,789 --> 00:55:13,869
that's that's an intentional hoax at all

1275
00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:17,799
but but to work in a world where in a

1276
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:19,900
film space where I'm able to show what

1277
00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:22,510
it looks like and what it is for people

1278
00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:24,460
who have not had that experience only

1279
00:55:27,299 --> 00:55:25,660
because I want to see what that

1280
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:27,309
experience is like you know meeting

1281
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:29,049
beings from another planet or from the

1282
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:30,430
future or another dimension or whatever

1283
00:55:34,579 --> 00:55:30,839
it is

1284
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:34,589
so can you talk about some of your

1285
00:55:41,069 --> 00:55:37,930
proposed projects coming up I saw on

1286
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:41,079
your patreon page that you have some

1287
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:43,450
ideas are you actually anything actually

1288
00:55:49,049 --> 00:55:45,849
in the works are just as in a thought

1289
00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:49,059
process at this point well I'd love to

1290
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,680
tell you but the government has made me

1291
00:55:55,859 --> 00:55:52,319
sign a nondisclosure agreement so I

1292
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:55,869
can't really get into yeah yeah

1293
00:56:05,220 --> 00:55:58,450
what I can tell you is that

1294
00:56:10,529 --> 00:56:05,230
if you go to patreon.com it's dot-com /a

1295
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:10,539
lien content and they'll be a link I'm

1296
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:13,089
sure on your site to this you can see

1297
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:15,970
the the three projects that I'm in

1298
00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:17,319
development on right now what I've done

1299
00:56:24,359 --> 00:56:20,920
is it's basically because I've I keep

1300
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:24,369
going back and coming back to this genre

1301
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:29,109
I decided to to focus on that and so for

1302
00:56:36,539 --> 00:56:31,750
the for the near future here I'm in the

1303
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:36,549
UFO and alien extraterrestrial business

1304
00:56:44,099 --> 00:56:40,960
and and the three projects I have the

1305
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:44,109
first is a kind of combination of all

1306
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:47,170
the President's Men meets Close

1307
00:56:50,910 --> 00:56:48,490
Encounters of the Third Kind so

1308
00:56:53,099 --> 00:56:50,920
basically what that means is it's about

1309
00:56:57,539 --> 00:56:53,109
a young reporter who teams up with a

1310
00:57:01,680 --> 00:56:57,549
young blogger to unearth the world's

1311
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,690
grace UFO cover-up and it's a it's a

1312
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:03,960
mystery thriller really fun project

1313
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:07,240
because I also write direct edits and

1314
00:57:11,339 --> 00:57:09,700
shoot my own stuff and even color grade

1315
00:57:12,839 --> 00:57:11,349
a lot of my own stuff when I'm working

1316
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:12,849
independent I'm not working as a hired

1317
00:57:17,759 --> 00:57:17,049
gun I can do these things for a decent

1318
00:57:20,099 --> 00:57:17,769
amount of money

1319
00:57:23,789 --> 00:57:20,109
but we still need budgets for these

1320
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:23,799
things but we're able to to do these

1321
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:26,940
things and do them in a way that are

1322
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:29,410
because I don't have any outside person

1323
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:31,480
influencing me I don't have studios or

1324
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:33,160
networks or anything else I'm able to do

1325
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:36,730
these things based on as much real

1326
00:57:41,309 --> 00:57:38,619
evidence that I've been able to you know

1327
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:41,319
evidence that seems to resonate with the

1328
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,450
truth and incorporate that interview so

1329
00:57:46,349 --> 00:57:44,799
that that's the first one that's called

1330
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,359
dark side amount that's a really fun

1331
00:57:51,089 --> 00:57:49,119
project all my projects have a little

1332
00:57:53,279 --> 00:57:51,099
bit of humor in them by the way because

1333
00:57:54,269 --> 00:57:53,289
I'm I'm a card-carrying smartass so

1334
00:57:57,029 --> 00:57:54,279
there's nothing I can do about that

1335
00:58:01,769 --> 00:57:57,039
uh-huh so that's the first one and then

1336
00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:01,779
the second one is a third remake of my

1337
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:05,829
alien abduction movie and so there's a

1338
00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:07,089
lot of things that are kind of the

1339
00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:09,940
conspiracy has built so much that and I

1340
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:12,220
have grown as a filmmaker and so there

1341
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:13,690
a lot of things I'll have to go back and

1342
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,650
explore because I find that every single

1343
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:19,119
move I make there's one theme that's

1344
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:22,090
throughout and that is family family is

1345
00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:25,210
really really important to me and I tend

1346
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:27,340
to do movies that deal with family that

1347
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:30,040
are that have dealt with tragedy or

1348
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:33,010
breaking you know up the fracturing of a

1349
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:35,590
family or family coming together and so

1350
00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:37,150
even though it's in a specific genre to

1351
00:58:40,740 --> 00:58:39,070
me that's the core that's the the

1352
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:40,750
experience of the human you know

1353
00:58:47,099 --> 00:58:44,980
condition so so that one I there's

1354
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,109
there's a lot more room in it now you

1355
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:49,119
know 20 years later 25 years later for

1356
00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:51,490
me to swim in there's some great twists

1357
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:52,840
and turns that I'd like to add that I

1358
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:57,010
you know would like to see myself and

1359
00:59:02,790 --> 00:58:59,410
that's called incident Lake County and

1360
00:59:06,180 --> 00:59:02,800
then the third project I'm doing is

1361
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:06,190
based on a novel that I wrote which is

1362
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:09,250
called Skylar's alien abduction blog and

1363
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:11,590
this is it this is one of my favorite

1364
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:15,550
projects it's about a a young kid who

1365
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:17,050
moves out from San Francisco to Los

1366
00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:18,990
Angeles to make in the indie rock scene

1367
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:23,109
as a drummer and so he gets success

1368
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:24,730
pretty early on within the first six

1369
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:27,040
months it's hooked up with a ban the ban

1370
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:28,660
is about to blow up and he dates this

1371
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:32,980
groupie who unfortunately gets abducted

1372
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,920
occasionally by extraterrestrials and so

1373
00:59:38,849 --> 00:59:37,599
she has him over one night when she

1374
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:38,859
knows that they're gonna be there and

1375
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:41,890
now he gets abducted and it it just

1376
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:44,530
spirals his world to the point he's

1377
00:59:48,270 --> 00:59:46,510
having flashbacks he can't function he

1378
00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:48,280
gets kicked out of a band and so the

1379
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:50,200
series is that's like the opening and

1380
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:51,640
the series is here is this guy trying to

1381
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:54,609
function trying to rebuild his career as

1382
01:00:00,030 --> 00:59:57,310
a you know young millennial working at

1383
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:00,040
Starbucks while at night booby-trapping

1384
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,310
his house from extraterrestrials and so

1385
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:05,200
he keeps this blog going because his

1386
01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:06,780
therapist who doesn't believe him

1387
01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:08,800
recommended it to keep his sanity so

1388
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:10,300
he's got this anonymous blog called

1389
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:11,980
Skylar's aiming abduction blog and

1390
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:14,020
that's a TV series project that I'm

1391
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:17,020
doing it's a half-hour show wow that

1392
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:19,800
sounds that sounds really good actually

1393
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:23,260
so yeah you know I've actually had

1394
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:25,740
contemplated like pee

1395
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:27,780
that you know claim they are getting

1396
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:31,050
abducted like on a regular basis I can't

1397
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:32,670
even imagine how someone could if

1398
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:35,460
something like that is happening whether

1399
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:36,900
it can be explained or not I can't

1400
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:38,790
understand how someone can even function

1401
01:00:43,790 --> 01:00:41,550
in the world you know I mean there must

1402
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:43,800
be it just seems like would be pure hell

1403
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:46,590
to go through do it I can't function on

1404
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:49,110
two cups of coffee and Reza yeah

1405
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:52,440
and Ritalin yeah I get two cups and I'm

1406
01:00:58,750 --> 01:00:54,270
getting really jiggy just one is enough

1407
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:58,760
for me um you know I when I was younger

1408
01:01:02,810 --> 01:01:01,380
the idea that you know meeting

1409
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:02,820
extraterrestrials and everything was a

1410
01:01:09,590 --> 01:01:07,980
real real goal you know mine reading

1411
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:09,600
communion that gave me a little pause

1412
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:11,970
but I thought you know that would still

1413
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:14,010
be great and then I you know did all the

1414
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:15,780
self check things do I have any memories

1415
01:01:21,050 --> 01:01:18,900
of screen memories of an owl or talking

1416
01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:21,060
to a squirrel have I ever

1417
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:24,030
you know smell burnt cardboard have I

1418
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:25,619
ever had missing time the whole thing

1419
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:28,920
none not for Dean and then the older I

1420
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:31,050
got the more I realized I'm glad that

1421
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:33,720
that has not happened life is

1422
01:01:38,570 --> 01:01:35,490
complicated enough you know especially

1423
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:38,580
right now and so the idea of having to

1424
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,490
contend with with being harassed by your

1425
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:46,859
not not the government and not the

1426
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:48,540
landlord and everything else but you

1427
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:51,330
know beans that come down and and are

1428
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:52,920
physically harassing you doesn't sound

1429
01:01:56,570 --> 01:01:54,990
like a party it's not like a good time

1430
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,580
to make sure doesn't sure doesn't

1431
01:02:01,940 --> 01:01:59,400
question came up in the chat room did

1432
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:01,950
you intend for your film to be taken as

1433
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:06,060
actual footage of the incident which

1434
01:02:12,620 --> 01:02:11,940
many have yeah no no at the at the

1435
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:12,630
convention

1436
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:16,140
I showed my introduction 25 years ago I

1437
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:19,650
showed the introduction cuz I'd video

1438
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:21,570
had it videotaped of me introduced in

1439
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:24,330
the film and in that I state my mission

1440
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:27,180
statement which is my goal and it's all

1441
01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:31,380
I reiterate this on five years later on

1442
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,350
the Fox show encounters where I stated

1443
01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:36,180
rice but my intention was to make the

1444
01:02:41,830 --> 01:02:39,350
most realistic UFO abduction portrayal

1445
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:41,840
ever you know to borrow from certainly

1446
01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:43,670
to borrow from Orson worlds were the

1447
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,240
world's but it was only meant as a you

1448
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:49,520
know gimmick if you will to show what it

1449
01:02:51,970 --> 01:02:50,630
would feel like and the most realistic

1450
01:02:56,350 --> 01:02:51,980
way to do that is to shoot as a

1451
01:02:58,060 --> 01:02:56,360
documentary so you know that was the

1452
01:03:01,390 --> 01:02:58,070
intent of it and there were credits on

1453
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:01,400
the original and and so that was not the

1454
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:04,970
goal to ever be conceiving of you know

1455
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:08,570
um you know perpetrating this this this

1456
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:10,910
hoax there's enough the problem is in

1457
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:14,480
this genre in this in this science I

1458
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:15,650
don't know what to call this field and

1459
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:17,450
this in this field of extraterrestrials

1460
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:19,610
or UFOs wherever they are wherever they

1461
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:21,560
come from there's enough scrutiny

1462
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:23,660
there's enough hoaxes going on you know

1463
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:25,370
I see them all the time on YouTube and I

1464
01:03:28,570 --> 01:03:26,510
go through and I'm looking for an I look

1465
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:28,580
at the footage and because I work in the

1466
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:31,130
business I know special effects and 99%

1467
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:35,420
of it's all BS and so on I think we need

1468
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:36,650
more people who are championing the

1469
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:38,660
experience you know and and the fact we

1470
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:43,250
have that footage now from the DoD this

1471
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:44,480
is now where entry and I think a new

1472
01:03:49,690 --> 01:03:47,150
phase and so the less that that happens

1473
01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:49,700
you know where people are conspiring to

1474
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:51,980
throw people off and confuse them you

1475
01:03:59,230 --> 01:03:56,000
know the better will will be but you

1476
01:04:01,150 --> 01:03:59,240
know found footage for better or worse

1477
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:01,160
is a new narrative of telling stories

1478
01:04:07,150 --> 01:04:04,640
and so I embrace that I just recently

1479
01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:07,160
shot this political thriller and used

1480
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:12,320
the same format with a partner and and

1481
01:04:21,250 --> 01:04:14,660
so god that was a long answer the answer

1482
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:21,260
is no I Ted Lord yeah yeah speaking of

1483
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:22,790
that you know you just mentioned the

1484
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:26,830
Pentagon we have a question that came in

1485
01:04:31,930 --> 01:04:29,180
it came in through a mail and on our

1486
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:31,940
forum and that is with the recent DoD

1487
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:34,910
UFO coverage by mainstream media as a

1488
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:37,670
filmmaker do you think that now is the

1489
01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:39,550
golden opportunity to produce a

1490
01:04:44,530 --> 01:04:42,140
documentary on the subject and have it

1491
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:44,540
taken much more seriously by the public

1492
01:04:53,230 --> 01:04:51,950
at large yeah it's funny the last ten

1493
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:53,240
years

1494
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:57,170
I have found myself becoming like a

1495
01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:58,700
die-hard fan I had listened to before

1496
01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:00,680
hand you know coast to coast and and

1497
01:05:12,580 --> 01:05:06,680
George Noory and and and George Knapp

1498
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:12,590
now and and been formulating in my brain

1499
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:15,490
what would be the best way to do that

1500
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:20,660
what would be the best way to to portray

1501
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:24,710
this as as legit and for me that's you

1502
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,690
know yes it can be done through

1503
01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:27,920
documentaries it can be done through

1504
01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:33,560
films like like a rival fantastic movie

1505
01:05:41,260 --> 01:05:38,630
yeah but it's such it's so broad I mean

1506
01:05:43,330 --> 01:05:41,270
the older I get the more I know I I

1507
01:05:45,250 --> 01:05:43,340
realize how little I know and how little

1508
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:45,260
we know as a species about ourselves

1509
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:48,020
we're such we're blood it's such a joke

1510
01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:50,420
really how little we know but the fact

1511
01:05:55,710 --> 01:05:54,140
that we can recreate anything now with

1512
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:55,720
with the technology of you know

1513
01:06:00,520 --> 01:05:57,410
special-effects stuff like that means

1514
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:00,530
that we can actually show that so I am

1515
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:02,390
gonna delve into that and do

1516
01:06:06,610 --> 01:06:04,610
documentaries and I'm considering a

1517
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:06,620
couple versions of that one would be

1518
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:07,850
something that would encompass

1519
01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:12,890
everything from you know I would go back

1520
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:14,750
before Kenneth Arnold you know I'd go to

1521
01:06:24,220 --> 01:06:19,970
1943 the first real heavy coverage on a

1522
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:24,230
project was not Roswell it was battle

1523
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,450
over Los Angeles mm-hmm were there's

1524
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:28,960
actual footage of nine searchlights

1525
01:06:34,330 --> 01:06:32,930
trained on this you know disc-shaped

1526
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:34,340
huge object in the back you see all

1527
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:37,370
these orbs this is you know thousands

1528
01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:39,170
hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses

1529
01:06:44,530 --> 01:06:42,620
and so you know this is that was kind of

1530
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:44,540
the first time that anything was you

1531
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:46,070
know was captured so I would probably

1532
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:47,720
start there and then just Chronicle and

1533
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,100
maybe it's done in chapters or whatever

1534
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:50,960
I'm not sure but I'm formulating

1535
01:06:57,970 --> 01:06:54,350
something and then there's a UFO case

1536
01:07:00,400 --> 01:06:57,980
that has not been really covered about a

1537
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:00,410
UFO crash that is really interesting

1538
01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:03,460
that has some religious overturns or

1539
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:06,380
aspects to it that I want to

1540
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:09,040
tap into which one a particular is that

1541
01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:11,170
that one I'm keeping quiet because

1542
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,020
there's a few out there and this one

1543
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:16,880
people don't know too much about so I'm

1544
01:07:22,030 --> 01:07:20,330
that from you yeah and so as I develop

1545
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:22,040
it more and more I will come to you and

1546
01:07:26,050 --> 01:07:24,530
I will say here's four ads and and I'll

1547
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:26,060
let you'll be the guy who'll break it so

1548
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:28,120
you do work for the government

1549
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:30,710
absolutely one represent we all work for

1550
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:31,130
the man

1551
01:07:38,050 --> 01:07:35,270
yeah someone wants to know how they can

1552
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:38,060
watch the film now I don't know if

1553
01:07:42,550 --> 01:07:39,200
they're actually talking about the one

1554
01:07:43,870 --> 01:07:42,560
you did for UPN but I would suggest that

1555
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:43,880
one's pretty easy to find the other one

1556
01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:47,560
is pretty difficult to find right yeah

1557
01:07:53,010 --> 01:07:50,180
mine you can get the new mastered

1558
01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:53,020
digitally remastered version of it and

1559
01:08:03,220 --> 01:07:58,900
and you can get that at UFO abduction

1560
01:08:05,950 --> 01:08:03,230
movie.com UFO abduction movie calm and

1561
01:08:09,490 --> 01:08:05,960
you can either receive a DVD of it or

1562
01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:09,500
you can download it and sorry both of us

1563
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:11,750
choices and I'm also selling signed

1564
01:08:17,610 --> 01:08:15,050
posters of the project as well and so

1565
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:17,620
I'm you can go to the original the og

1566
01:08:23,860 --> 01:08:20,810
UFO abduction movie and the secondary

1567
01:08:26,970 --> 01:08:23,870
one the one you made with the budget you

1568
01:08:29,710 --> 01:08:26,980
can find that basically on YouTube right

1569
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:29,720
yeah I don't have any copyrights of that

1570
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:32,930
I don't I don't own that IP dick Clarke

1571
01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:35,390
or whoever's bought Dick Clark owns that

1572
01:08:41,950 --> 01:08:37,960
one but I know that there are definitely

1573
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:41,960
still you know copies out there Paul my

1574
01:08:44,559 --> 01:08:43,490
partner on that project he and I have

1575
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:44,569
been trying to get this thing released

1576
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:47,150
as a blu-ray because I've got great

1577
01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:50,440
behind-the-scenes footage and and and

1578
01:08:54,940 --> 01:08:52,819
they just haven't you know because

1579
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:54,950
they've been bought so much so many

1580
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:57,260
companies that have bought the library

1581
01:09:02,860 --> 01:08:59,150
of Dick Clark and everything shout

1582
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:02,870
factory briefly was interested but you

1583
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:05,330
know if people reach out to you or

1584
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:07,400
whomever and and and they show the

1585
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:09,350
demand that there is a huge demand for

1586
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:11,089
this I know because I get the emails

1587
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:13,760
maybe they'll they'll release it but for

1588
01:09:19,109 --> 01:09:15,620
now you've got to watch kind of a crappy

1589
01:09:21,899 --> 01:09:19,119
VHS download on YouTube mm-hmm

1590
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,909
and yes it is I notice that it's it's

1591
01:09:26,339 --> 01:09:23,440
not it's not real clear it's pretty

1592
01:09:28,289 --> 01:09:26,349
blurry yeah and it's also not that's the

1593
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:28,299
one our version and I don't think

1594
01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:31,690
anywhere is the to our version online so

1595
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:35,380
that's still out there and yeah yeah

1596
01:09:40,649 --> 01:09:39,250
so what is really good now when you make

1597
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:40,659
it a film like this even though we had a

1598
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:43,799
budget you used people that were not

1599
01:09:48,959 --> 01:09:46,690
household names for actors and I think

1600
01:09:51,209 --> 01:09:48,969
that really works great in any like

1601
01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:51,219
found-footage type film it's much more

1602
01:09:58,220 --> 01:09:53,949
convincing the course than you know a

1603
01:10:02,010 --> 01:09:58,230
known actor well Emanuel shrieky

1604
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:02,020
actually blew up after which one was he

1605
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:07,510
that films she oh she if you've ever

1606
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:08,170
seen

1607
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:15,040
she plays yeah she's the love interest

1608
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:18,900
of my guy just blanked on his name

1609
01:10:26,339 --> 01:10:23,310
turtle no no not turtle the other one

1610
01:10:29,790 --> 01:10:26,349
who's the who's the manager oh my god

1611
01:10:34,979 --> 01:10:29,800
sorry attic I know the manager he's the

1612
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:34,989
agent no the agent manager is a Connolly

1613
01:10:39,839 --> 01:10:38,320
the actor anyway she's a love interest

1614
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:39,849
of that and so she did really well she

1615
01:10:43,919 --> 01:10:42,820
went off and did that and and and the

1616
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:43,929
other actors have done little things

1617
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:45,610
after that but at the time certainly no

1618
01:10:49,859 --> 01:10:47,530
one knew of these guys and in fact we

1619
01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:49,869
worked really hard to make sure that you

1620
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:52,300
know nothing was we weren't pulling in

1621
01:10:57,629 --> 01:10:55,719
people that would break the yeah you

1622
01:11:00,810 --> 01:10:57,639
know dispel the belief that this is

1623
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:00,820
actually real so I'm gonna say if anyone

1624
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:02,290
wants to call in I'll just say the

1625
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:04,750
number but if you're listening after the

1626
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:06,130
show or you're listening on the darknet

1627
01:11:12,629 --> 01:11:07,960
or digital network it's only for the

1628
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:12,639
live show of this number is 603 967 403

1629
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:14,830
oh if anyone wants to call in ask our

1630
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:19,750
guest a question alright so now I want

1631
01:11:25,169 --> 01:11:22,690
to switch gears a little bit because I

1632
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,179
thought when we were talking on in

1633
01:11:30,810 --> 01:11:28,000
Phoenix that you had some pretty good I

1634
01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:30,820
want to say thoughts on the outside of

1635
01:11:36,689 --> 01:11:32,920
the UFO field so to speak

1636
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:36,699
of what you think is going on as far as

1637
01:11:42,959 --> 01:11:40,330
you know the UFO community itself do you

1638
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,969
remember that discussion at all I said

1639
01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:44,560
something intelligent I wish you

1640
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:46,750
remember that if we're gonna write it

1641
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:51,370
down yeah yeah me too it's it's

1642
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:54,790
interesting because how we're at such an

1643
01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:58,960
apex here the footage coming out I know

1644
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:02,230
that there was someone who Alejandro had

1645
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:04,020
mentioned that was trying to discredit

1646
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:08,980
the the footage the the gimbal footage

1647
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:11,410
which is just ridiculous to try to

1648
01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:13,150
counter that because it was so obvious

1649
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,860
the way that it was tracking to conceal

1650
01:12:20,220 --> 01:12:16,239
the numbers and everything else in a way

1651
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:20,230
that was rotating it wasn't a an f-18 or

1652
01:12:24,689 --> 01:12:23,140
whatever that would rotate if that thing

1653
01:12:26,189 --> 01:12:24,699
moves when almost those things rotate

1654
01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:26,199
they go like this they make a move like

1655
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:28,360
that and this just went and it was going

1656
01:12:32,850 --> 01:12:30,790
parallel so I think people see it the

1657
01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:32,860
fact that Leslie Kane did such a great

1658
01:12:40,050 --> 01:12:36,940
job reporting that I think now what was

1659
01:12:42,419 --> 01:12:40,060
was most telling is that so this report

1660
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,429
comes out right Washington Post picks it

1661
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,320
up as well other news you know even

1662
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:47,679
Tucker Carlson ran with it so it was hot

1663
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,610
and heavy for a couple weeks and then it

1664
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:52,960
was really telling is that everyone just

1665
01:13:00,900 --> 01:12:56,650
kind of went okay yeah and so the fact

1666
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:00,910
that that the poll is that 45% of the

1667
01:13:08,729 --> 01:13:06,310
population believes that that flying

1668
01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:08,739
saucers UFOs aliens have visited us

1669
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:11,380
forty five percent so that packed

1670
01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:14,440
already that that group which is you

1671
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:17,230
know almost half they're already there

1672
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,170
so that wasn't a big thing the other

1673
01:13:24,959 --> 01:13:22,480
half was kind of like I think all right

1674
01:13:26,430 --> 01:13:24,969
well I guess that you know that's there

1675
01:13:28,350 --> 01:13:26,440
doesn't really affect me I still have to

1676
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:28,360
get up and go to work don't have to get

1677
01:13:34,110 --> 01:13:30,370
my kid off you know at school and and

1678
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,120
everything so it was interesting how you

1679
01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:35,679
know as much as at the convention there

1680
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:38,980
was talk and on your podcast of how it

1681
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:42,510
kind of came and went and how kind of

1682
01:13:47,490 --> 01:13:45,370
you know in a way it was kind of like

1683
01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:47,500
wow well that was kind of

1684
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,000
you know a little bit of a letdown I

1685
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:51,760
take it as a huge success I think that

1686
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:54,610
showed the government you know DoD that

1687
01:14:00,480 --> 01:13:57,670
we can handle this we can take the truth

1688
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,490
we can't handle the truth and and so I

1689
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:02,080
think what it does is it starts to get

1690
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:05,830
the the the belief system starts to set

1691
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:07,810
it up so it can accept more and more and

1692
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:10,870
so I feel like where we are today where

1693
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:14,920
we're going is is is that because

1694
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:17,530
science and everything sorry I'm totally

1695
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:20,320
tripping out here but but and and will

1696
01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:22,300
real me and if I get too far out there

1697
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:23,800
but like we've got Moore's law okay

1698
01:14:28,860 --> 01:14:26,250
Moore's law is the rate in which

1699
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:28,870
humanity progresses technology wise and

1700
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:31,750
it pretty much runs parallel has to the

1701
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:36,370
evolution of man and and in the 40s and

1702
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:38,830
50s it started to to diverter start to

1703
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,100
branch up sway up and it kept going and

1704
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:44,560
going and then we got into the 80s and

1705
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:46,150
90s it's like this now Moore's Law is

1706
01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:47,980
going like this so we're able to do

1707
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,780
things we're still fighting and killing

1708
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:51,040
each other and we're still petty and

1709
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:54,640
we're so greedy as all hell but we're

1710
01:15:02,220 --> 01:14:57,250
able to do incredible things godlike

1711
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:02,230
things and so that aspect of that

1712
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:04,030
technology and what we have on our

1713
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,770
computers home computers and on our

1714
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:08,320
phones is insane and so people can start

1715
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:11,830
to make the leap and so I feel like you

1716
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:14,020
know if if there were to be a disclosure

1717
01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:15,370
which I don't still don't see the

1718
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:16,720
benefits of the government but if there

1719
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:19,020
were maybe other governments doing this

1720
01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:21,340
like France which still has an active

1721
01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:24,100
UFO department that researches this

1722
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:27,700
stuff it'll it'll I think it would be so

1723
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:29,050
much more digestible I think we're ready

1724
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:31,210
for it you know I think the salad days

1725
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:33,150
are behind us it's time for the entree

1726
01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:38,080
mm-hmm no I I agree I think and I've

1727
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,790
said this a few different times but I

1728
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:42,400
think you know ever since Keppler got

1729
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:44,230
out there and discovered I don't know

1730
01:15:46,650 --> 01:15:44,650
you know

1731
01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:46,660
prior to Kepler back in the 90s of

1732
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:48,700
course there's these two astronomers

1733
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:51,460
first discovered the wobble and the

1734
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:54,010
possibility of planets going around

1735
01:16:00,600 --> 01:15:58,330
other Suns stars but you know since

1736
01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:00,610
Kepler found so many

1737
01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:05,380
planets and then the the logic is that

1738
01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:08,260
there's billions of planets in billions

1739
01:16:13,770 --> 01:16:09,880
hundreds of billions of planets and just

1740
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:13,780
our you know just our galaxy alone I

1741
01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:16,630
think the more we hear about things like

1742
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:17,380
that

1743
01:16:22,590 --> 01:16:21,250
the more Intune we are to accepting you

1744
01:16:25,950 --> 01:16:22,600
know the fact that we're not alone

1745
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:25,960
that's and I don't know a lot of things

1746
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,150
are going to change if there was some

1747
01:16:34,770 --> 01:16:31,360
type of either natural disclosure or

1748
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:34,780
you know government disclosure well it's

1749
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:38,110
interesting because we are peering into

1750
01:16:43,020 --> 01:16:41,140
the the you know the great vastness the

1751
01:16:44,670 --> 01:16:43,030
telescope was trained on this one area

1752
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:44,680
and this is just as a lark let's just

1753
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:46,450
trim on a black area where maybe it's

1754
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:47,650
just dark matter or whatever there's

1755
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:48,760
nothing there we can't see anything

1756
01:16:53,310 --> 01:16:51,010
let's just leave it there so he left it

1757
01:16:55,950 --> 01:16:53,320
there for a while came back took a look

1758
01:17:00,120 --> 01:16:55,960
and sure enough they saw a whole other

1759
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,130
cluster so we have no idea zero idea how

1760
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:02,080
many billions isn't enough I think it

1761
01:17:08,850 --> 01:17:05,560
could be trillions when I hear you know

1762
01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:08,860
even quantum physicists who are talking

1763
01:17:12,710 --> 01:17:10,240
about well there are certain laws of

1764
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:12,720
this or that I'm going there's not

1765
01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:16,600
there's there's laws because that's all

1766
01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:18,670
we can perceive right now or that's all

1767
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:20,500
we've been able to replicate but we've

1768
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,970
been saying that all the time you know

1769
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:23,440
over over the years you you know we're a

1770
01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:26,590
flat earth which good lord are there

1771
01:17:30,510 --> 01:17:27,940
really people out there who believe the

1772
01:17:34,620 --> 01:17:30,520
earth is flat you know oh yeah they they

1773
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:34,630
they're they get in real fights about it

1774
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:37,330
you know mark yeah mark D Antonio we

1775
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:39,940
talked about him earlier he's up with

1776
01:17:45,450 --> 01:17:40,570
Alejandro

1777
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:45,460
he's basically a an astronomer and also

1778
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,060
does work for MUFON as far as video and

1779
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:50,760
you know pictures and things like that

1780
01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:55,330
but he he has he's fighting all the time

1781
01:18:00,330 --> 01:17:57,550
with these flat earthers I don't really

1782
01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:00,340
know why he wastes his time but they're

1783
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:02,230
they're dead serious about the earth

1784
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:06,310
being flat you know and well I was a

1785
01:18:12,090 --> 01:18:09,550
good example well what I bet you and I

1786
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:12,100
could come up with a theory Flat Earth

1787
01:18:14,459 --> 01:18:13,690
has already been taken so I can't go

1788
01:18:17,010 --> 01:18:14,469
there so come with

1789
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:17,020
and fresh something new we could come up

1790
01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:19,000
with something flag moon you know yeah

1791
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:21,100
flat moon or even it could be that you

1792
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:23,980
know that Cheerios you know has

1793
01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:26,110
medicinal purposes that you know the

1794
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:27,580
government hasn't told us about but blah

1795
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:30,130
blah and you you build a nice website

1796
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:32,770
you start injecting it out there it's

1797
01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:34,810
gonna happen you know it's gonna become

1798
01:18:40,860 --> 01:18:37,660
you know part of the lexicon of uh you

1799
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,870
know conspiracies out there and so you

1800
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:42,400
know and party was not surprised but the

1801
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:44,020
other part of me is kind of like God is

1802
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:47,350
that really the litmus test now for for

1803
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,130
common senses is you know is if either

1804
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:53,440
you believe in and that the earth is you

1805
01:19:03,290 --> 01:18:58,210
know flat and anyway so I you know I I

1806
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:03,300
tend to to believe that that you know

1807
01:19:08,820 --> 01:19:06,280
again I'm gonna go off on a Tyra but why

1808
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:08,830
are we going to go to Mars I'm excited

1809
01:19:12,150 --> 01:19:10,930
about the concept of doing that but we

1810
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:12,160
still need to work out some stuff here

1811
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:14,620
I'm not excited about us going back to

1812
01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:16,360
the moon we've already left garbage

1813
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:19,180
there you know we've got some moon or

1814
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:21,130
landers that were six missions how many

1815
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:21,910
missions do we want

1816
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:23,530
I remember off the top of my head I

1817
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:26,260
should know this all that stuff is there

1818
01:19:31,229 --> 01:19:28,930
we have over what is it something like

1819
01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:31,239
3000 or 300 thousand thirty thousand

1820
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:34,540
bits of crap that's orbiting yeah it's

1821
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:36,070
sound I've heard it's over a hundred

1822
01:19:40,590 --> 01:19:38,530
thousand pieces of space junk yeah

1823
01:19:41,970 --> 01:19:40,600
exactly and how did the you know I kind

1824
01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:41,980
of the aliens avoid that when they're

1825
01:19:47,459 --> 01:19:45,190
coming in exactly there's another

1826
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:47,469
conspiracy so they're not coming from

1827
01:19:59,160 --> 01:19:57,540
yeah no well I think it's a I'm excited

1828
01:20:00,689 --> 01:19:59,170
about space travel but I understand what

1829
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:00,699
you're saying to you know we'd have a

1830
01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:04,570
lot of things here to to work on you

1831
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,280
know but you could say that about almost

1832
01:20:12,090 --> 01:20:09,520
any aspect of you know government's that

1833
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,100
look at certain fundamental things and

1834
01:20:17,939 --> 01:20:14,560
then they just avoid a lot of in the

1835
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:17,949
middle you know so but don't get me

1836
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:20,710
wrong I I want to see I would love to

1837
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:21,910
stay it would be really interesting

1838
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:24,370
everything but at the same time I feel

1839
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:28,120
like you know the the the

1840
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:30,070
one thing that is a thorn in my side is

1841
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:31,450
when they talk about that we could

1842
01:20:37,380 --> 01:20:34,530
colonize mankind on another planet that

1843
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:37,390
really pisses me off because this planet

1844
01:20:46,730 --> 01:20:44,070
is is the most beautiful beautiful

1845
01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:46,740
object anything that that we know of

1846
01:20:50,130 --> 01:20:48,670
forget that we can see that there's

1847
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:50,140
other planets that seem to be in the

1848
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:51,610
Goldilocks forget all that

1849
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:53,770
this is it this is gorgeous this is

1850
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:56,230
beautiful talk to any astronaut who's

1851
01:21:00,510 --> 01:20:58,630
been out yeah you know who's been in

1852
01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:00,520
orbit or God they always say the same

1853
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:06,160
thing it's a beautiful lush miracle of a

1854
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:09,520
planet and and so the attitude that

1855
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:12,250
people are it breaks my heart that

1856
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:13,930
anyone would think oh we need to escape

1857
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:15,190
we need you know we need to take care of

1858
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:16,930
business and the truth of matter is

1859
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:18,910
let's let's be let's be honest by this

1860
01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:21,790
the planet will not get destroyed we

1861
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:23,800
won't destroy the planet humans cannot I

1862
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:25,330
don't care how many nuclear weapons you

1863
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:27,310
set up set off what will happen is the

1864
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:29,290
planet will recycle itself like it's

1865
01:21:34,110 --> 01:21:31,750
done many many times we won't be here

1866
01:21:34,830 --> 01:21:34,120
yeah and all the animals that don't have

1867
01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:34,840
a say in this

1868
01:21:40,530 --> 01:21:37,660
they'll be gone so it just feels like

1869
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:40,540
you know whatever we can do whether you

1870
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:42,730
believe in climate change or not it's

1871
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:45,850
gonna help to not have you know coal and

1872
01:21:51,060 --> 01:21:48,070
not have some oil and everything else

1873
01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:51,070
and you know all right now I'm gonna get

1874
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:52,200
off my soapbox

1875
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:55,780
yes puing out there well yeah yeah

1876
01:22:00,120 --> 01:21:58,420
you're right the earth has recycled

1877
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:00,130
itself many times you know probably the

1878
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:03,490
moon was one of those recycles possibly

1879
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:05,770
collision from a planet or they're gonna

1880
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:09,730
know exactly how the moon was formed but

1881
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:15,040
anyway I still think part of the reason

1882
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:17,770
people talk about colonizing as they say

1883
01:22:22,230 --> 01:22:19,570
like if something happened like for

1884
01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:22,240
instance a comet smashed into Earth that

1885
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:25,540
would be the end of you know human kind

1886
01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:27,910
so that's one of the reasons people say

1887
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:29,590
you know you should get off plane and

1888
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:32,860
have something else but I mean you know

1889
01:22:39,630 --> 01:22:36,900
to live on a red desolate planet or or

1890
01:22:40,650 --> 01:22:39,640
the venetians you know they can't be too

1891
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:40,660
happy there

1892
01:22:46,980 --> 01:22:44,410
no yes I yeah was it well they also that

1893
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:46,990
the math doesn't add up does it we have

1894
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:48,840
7 billion people right now on the planet

1895
01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:52,480
100 years ago we only had 1 billion so

1896
01:22:58,370 --> 01:22:55,060
think about that we have there's more

1897
01:23:01,170 --> 01:22:58,380
people live today that are then are dead

1898
01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:01,180
so the numbers don't add up we continue

1899
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:04,060
you know making more of us continue

1900
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:06,850
consuming consuming consuming and so if

1901
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:08,860
the you know what's about to hit the fan

1902
01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:12,310
who's going to go to Mars is it going to

1903
01:23:18,510 --> 01:23:14,740
be you and I or is it going to be the

1904
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:18,520
politicians the super wealthy and and if

1905
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,900
this planet starts to you know

1906
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,280
population starts to get a little bit

1907
01:23:25,770 --> 01:23:23,920
too much what's going to happen to the

1908
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:25,780
extra people they are they're gonna send

1909
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:28,810
them off to Mars but the you know the

1910
01:23:34,620 --> 01:23:32,590
rich you know that the wealthy are they

1911
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:34,630
gonna get to stay here and enjoy it so

1912
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:36,370
it's we got to work out some stuff here

1913
01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:38,200
so it's it's just the math there it just

1914
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:42,040
doesn't you know yeah it doesn't add up

1915
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,900
yeah yeah no I get that I still think

1916
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:49,600
it's you know going back to you were

1917
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:51,910
inspired by science fiction so a lot of

1918
01:23:58,260 --> 01:23:54,340
science fiction is about space travel

1919
01:24:00,570 --> 01:23:58,270
and you know what what would we do if we

1920
01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:00,580
could actually travel out there what

1921
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:04,630
would we see and all that and so along

1922
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:08,320
those lines you know you hear a lot of a

1923
01:24:13,530 --> 01:24:10,240
lot of people say that our skeptic about

1924
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:13,540
us ever being visited by someone they

1925
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:15,010
can't get here they don't have the

1926
01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:19,480
energy and I personally think it's along

1927
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,620
the lines with something you said

1928
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:22,480
earlier and that is we just haven't

1929
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:24,610
thought about how to do that next

1930
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:28,560
I mean yet right and speaking of that

1931
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:32,650
next week's guest a Robert Schroeder he

1932
01:24:38,730 --> 01:24:34,270
has some thoughts on that he's going to

1933
01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:38,740
be here next week and on how he's a he's

1934
01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:41,680
a scientist and he's going to be talking

1935
01:24:50,670 --> 01:24:44,920
about how he thinks that space travel is

1936
01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:50,680
actually possible yeah well it's it's

1937
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:52,360
kind of like if you were to go back

1938
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:53,730
before car

1939
01:24:59,180 --> 01:24:57,030
you would say you can't you know get to

1940
01:25:01,130 --> 01:24:59,190
the other side of you know the state a

1941
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:01,140
certain amount of time because there's

1942
01:25:05,420 --> 01:25:03,060
no cars we don't you know or a bullet

1943
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:05,430
train it hasn't been invented yet we

1944
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:06,810
still don't know how gravity really

1945
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:09,810
works right and quantum physics is a lot

1946
01:25:15,710 --> 01:25:12,960
of it is its theory you know quantum

1947
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:15,720
theory and so we just haven't sorted out

1948
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:17,489
yet but even Einstein is like if you

1949
01:25:22,670 --> 01:25:20,550
fold time it'll do that and and you know

1950
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:22,680
so there's so much we don't know about

1951
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:23,910
it's kind of like the Loch Ness monster

1952
01:25:28,460 --> 01:25:25,830
I look at that I go oh my god that's so

1953
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:28,470
cool and my daughter Ruby loves it and

1954
01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:31,050
and and I'm probably guilty of

1955
01:25:35,420 --> 01:25:33,720
instilling that in her but we talked

1956
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:35,430
about that I mean I guess one of our

1957
01:25:38,180 --> 01:25:37,050
dreams would be to go to Loch Ness and

1958
01:25:39,979 --> 01:25:38,190
see it you know if it was there for

1959
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:39,989
ourselves I hope that it never they

1960
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:43,260
never find Nessie I hope it remains a

1961
01:25:48,710 --> 01:25:45,300
mystery because there is some some

1962
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,720
things that that are fun you know um you

1963
01:25:52,670 --> 01:25:51,120
know that that that are great you know

1964
01:25:53,540 --> 01:25:52,680
and then maybe if that gets solved then

1965
01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:53,550
there'll be something else but it should

1966
01:25:58,190 --> 01:25:55,350
always be mystery isn't it that's that's

1967
01:26:00,140 --> 01:25:58,200
the gift of life is that we always get

1968
01:26:03,050 --> 01:26:00,150
unwrapped unwrap these packages there's

1969
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:03,060
always these surprises and so I'm you

1970
01:26:11,210 --> 01:26:04,890
know as long as hopefully what's in it

1971
01:26:14,150 --> 01:26:11,220
isn't an ar-15 so along those lines do

1972
01:26:15,950 --> 01:26:14,160
you think that if there ever was some

1973
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:15,960
type of disclosure where we said okay

1974
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:19,489
there's definitely aliens out there 100%

1975
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:22,470
everybody on earth knows do you think

1976
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:25,050
that would just take away the I don't

1977
01:26:29,690 --> 01:26:26,850
know the excitement of the possibility

1978
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:29,700
would it would be just like cap and

1979
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:32,610
stance and we'd all get a custom and

1980
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:34,530
used to it like it was okay as long as

1981
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:36,110
they leave us alone

1982
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:40,710
yeah we're again America specifically

1983
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:42,600
but all over the world has a short

1984
01:26:48,650 --> 01:26:45,780
attention span so I think we would get

1985
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:48,660
used to it very quickly I think we would

1986
01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:51,330
roll with it we would have to when I

1987
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:54,030
think about that I think of how oh man

1988
01:26:57,710 --> 01:26:55,770
there's so many factors in it you can't

1989
01:26:59,180 --> 01:26:57,720
just look at it and say you know and

1990
01:27:00,979 --> 01:26:59,190
think about here's the day that Earth

1991
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:00,989
Stood Still and have that image in your

1992
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:03,330
head no it's they come here and here's

1993
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,370
Nike here's McDonald's here's whomever

1994
01:27:12,109 --> 01:27:07,679
saying how do I get them to endorse

1995
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,119
my swag no I get them to you know to you

1996
01:27:17,839 --> 01:27:14,159
know photo ops and everything and so you

1997
01:27:20,689 --> 01:27:17,849
know what does that that mean I think

1998
01:27:23,659 --> 01:27:20,699
that that we would be definitely able to

1999
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:23,669
to roll with it I just worry about what

2000
01:27:25,459 --> 01:27:24,300
we do

2001
01:27:27,469 --> 01:27:25,469
I don't worry about it from their

2002
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:27,479
actions worry about you know how it gets

2003
01:27:31,959 --> 01:27:29,610
co-opted I guess would be my concern but

2004
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:31,969
I think that if that were to happen

2005
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,199
people would adjust I mean the Pope what

2006
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:36,239
was it last year or the year before said

2007
01:27:41,389 --> 01:27:38,729
it's okay yeah to believe in life

2008
01:27:44,779 --> 01:27:41,399
elsewhere and will baptize will baptize

2009
01:27:46,369 --> 01:27:44,789
them as they'd want to be baptized right

2010
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:46,379
and and the fact that they've probably

2011
01:27:52,939 --> 01:27:48,570
been around longer than we have maybe

2012
01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:52,949
they can baptize us yeah you know I

2013
01:27:57,049 --> 01:27:55,169
think I had I can't remember how long

2014
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:57,059
ago I had someone on that they had like

2015
01:28:03,139 --> 01:28:02,159
three questions you know but if you

2016
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:03,149
could actually talk to an

2017
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:05,129
extraterrestrial just gonna throw this

2018
01:28:11,659 --> 01:28:07,590
at you would be like a really good

2019
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:11,669
question to ask will you be in my next

2020
01:28:17,569 --> 01:28:15,510
movie that would be my first one and how

2021
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:17,579
much do I have to pay you will you sign

2022
01:28:24,139 --> 01:28:20,610
my t-shirt that would be a second yeah

2023
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,149
we have to pay you you know it's funny

2024
01:28:29,449 --> 01:28:27,360
people always look towards you know an

2025
01:28:30,889 --> 01:28:29,459
advanced species to help our species now

2026
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:30,899
and I kind of feel like we've got to do

2027
01:28:36,949 --> 01:28:34,110
the work for ourselves you know we can

2028
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:36,959
be really lazy in that regard so I don't

2029
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:40,110
know that I would you know ask them

2030
01:28:49,509 --> 01:28:44,159
questions of how to I guess my number

2031
01:28:55,279 --> 01:28:52,759
continue to to exist

2032
01:28:58,069 --> 01:28:55,289
how have you how have you sustained

2033
01:28:59,719 --> 01:28:58,079
yourselves you know through advancing

2034
01:29:02,239 --> 01:28:59,729
everything because we seem to be kind of

2035
01:29:03,619 --> 01:29:02,249
we've got one leg that's making great

2036
01:29:06,139 --> 01:29:03,629
strides and the other one is like a

2037
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:06,149
clubfoot that's dragging so how did you

2038
01:29:10,459 --> 01:29:08,340
breach that and I and I hope the answer

2039
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:10,469
isn't well we don't have free will

2040
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:12,510
you guys have free will so this is why

2041
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:14,219
your guys are acting that way we don't

2042
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:16,409
we just automatically are born into

2043
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:19,800
knowing you know common sense treat

2044
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,120
others as you'd have them treat you

2045
01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:23,760
and the story though people have been

2046
01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:25,500
abducted and had the anal probe will

2047
01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:27,630
probably disagree with that being

2048
01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:28,860
treated like they would like to be true

2049
01:29:32,540 --> 01:29:31,140
I would yeah I would ask them how did

2050
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:32,550
you sustain yourselves how did you get

2051
01:29:41,170 --> 01:29:36,560
through all those periods hmm and then

2052
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:41,180
maybe I would cut I would be really I

2053
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:44,910
would be curious as to how they are with

2054
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:48,890
their family hmm you know family again

2055
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:51,450
being key because everything comes from

2056
01:29:54,830 --> 01:29:53,340
that you know even plants

2057
01:29:57,230 --> 01:29:54,840
there's knows now research shows that

2058
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:57,240
that roots if there was a tree that's

2059
01:30:01,310 --> 01:29:58,920
that's next to a creek and one that's

2060
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:01,320
further not getting that they will share

2061
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:03,690
the you know connect with them and sure

2062
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:06,570
that the moisture um so it's I would

2063
01:30:11,290 --> 01:30:08,610
like to know how they you know how their

2064
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:11,300
family is that that to me would be I

2065
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:14,490
think the most compelling thing that's

2066
01:30:20,630 --> 01:30:17,610
really great and I really love the part

2067
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:20,640
you see about sustaining because that is

2068
01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:23,910
you know like that is a worry you know

2069
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:26,190
the more technology we get you know if

2070
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:31,650
we get into a are I mean AI you know boy

2071
01:30:36,460 --> 01:30:34,440
well we're that lead you know I mean

2072
01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:36,470
will there be a command out there to

2073
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,710
okay

2074
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:39,600
it's your job to destroy the world and

2075
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:41,970
you know some madman has a hold of

2076
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:44,490
technology that can do that you know I

2077
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:46,910
mean how do we get through all these

2078
01:30:54,140 --> 01:30:50,010
major stepping stones of technology

2079
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:54,150
without making an end to us and you look

2080
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,730
at our history the Earth's history I

2081
01:31:02,360 --> 01:30:59,040
should say and everything becomes

2082
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:02,370
extinct you know we have a call coming

2083
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,690
in are you ready to take a call

2084
01:31:07,820 --> 01:31:06,000
yeah I'm trying I know that I'm in the

2085
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:07,830
dark I look like a smoking man from the

2086
01:31:12,410 --> 01:31:09,210
x-files right now so I'm trying to kind

2087
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:12,420
of get a little bit mysterious okay yeah

2088
01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:13,470
yeah let's do the call

2089
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:16,380
alright caller you are on the line your

2090
01:31:33,950 --> 01:31:28,670
my monetary the filmmaker made a good

2091
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:33,960
point about us being more proactive I

2092
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:34,770
mean

2093
01:31:43,460 --> 01:31:41,310
would just like to learn about them but

2094
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:43,470
I wouldn't sit there hoping that they're

2095
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:46,770
gonna carry our candle for us unless

2096
01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:49,170
they actually wanted to they would do it

2097
01:31:53,210 --> 01:31:50,520
they were going to do it

2098
01:31:56,630 --> 01:31:53,220
it was probably better just the initial

2099
01:32:00,290 --> 01:31:56,640
kind of need to know each other rather

2100
01:32:04,940 --> 01:32:00,300
than - what can I get out of it type of

2101
01:32:08,780 --> 01:32:04,950
thing that's my comment you know it's

2102
01:32:11,690 --> 01:32:08,790
funny I just thought I had this twist of

2103
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:11,700
thought of an alien dating app where you

2104
01:32:18,590 --> 01:32:16,410
swipe for for life you want a reptilian

2105
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:18,600
you swipe right for reptilian left for a

2106
01:32:22,730 --> 01:32:20,850
great I don't know I know you may have

2107
01:32:25,660 --> 01:32:22,740
something there you get hurt you know

2108
01:32:28,190 --> 01:32:25,670
patent it quickly yeah I better yeah

2109
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:28,200
unfortunately shows live so everyone now

2110
01:32:34,850 --> 01:32:31,110
has it dang its disclosure it's free

2111
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:34,860
information for you yeah he that's a I

2112
01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:37,770
agree 100% with what he's saying you

2113
01:32:46,820 --> 01:32:39,390
have any questions in particular for our

2114
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:46,830
guests um not really but keep up the

2115
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:51,330
good work and hopefully that all right

2116
01:33:01,220 --> 01:32:57,330
hey thanks for the call thank you all

2117
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:01,230
right so anyway anyone else can actually

2118
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:02,880
call in I'll give that number out one

2119
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:05,520
more time it's 6:03 and this is for the

2120
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:07,650
live show only six oh three nine six

2121
01:33:14,090 --> 01:33:09,900
seven four oh three oh it's also on the

2122
01:33:16,820 --> 01:33:14,100
screen if you forget so let's see there

2123
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,830
was another question that came in and I

2124
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:18,960
think you've answered most of what this

2125
01:33:25,190 --> 01:33:22,530
person asked of you just through casual

2126
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:25,200
conversation here so this one is with

2127
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:27,870
indie filmmakers able to output their

2128
01:33:32,180 --> 01:33:30,630
material using outlets such as VMO you

2129
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:32,190
to in YouTube do you think it's possible

2130
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:35,010
that film studios will take notice and

2131
01:33:43,410 --> 01:33:37,410
Commission them to produce on a larger

2132
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:43,420
scale well

2133
01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:45,369
it's boy it's a it's a lot more

2134
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:47,800
complicated in that because first of all

2135
01:33:54,419 --> 01:33:51,570
every movie that that has ever been made

2136
01:33:55,649 --> 01:33:54,429
you could be you could it could be a

2137
01:33:56,910 --> 01:33:55,659
film that that is by and large

2138
01:33:59,609 --> 01:33:56,920
considered the biggest piece of crap

2139
01:34:03,209 --> 01:33:59,619
it's someone's favorite film that

2140
01:34:05,220 --> 01:34:03,219
they'll watch here and here so everyone

2141
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:05,230
connects it's it's kind of relative it's

2142
01:34:10,530 --> 01:34:08,320
like someone's own taste and so the goal

2143
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:10,540
is being able to to have people who have

2144
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:12,460
a specific taste be able to get to that

2145
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:14,650
and have portals that they can go to and

2146
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:17,170
once independent filmmakers can actually

2147
01:34:20,879 --> 01:34:18,880
breach that and they can upload

2148
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,889
themselves and so if there's like a

2149
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:22,719
website that's like drama calm and you

2150
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,150
go to dramas or you go to action and you

2151
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:27,040
go there and be able to put your film up

2152
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:29,710
then they can go through and click

2153
01:34:37,229 --> 01:34:33,190
through and see but the the great

2154
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:37,239
democracy in in filmmaking it hasn't

2155
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:38,770
completely kicked in with distribution

2156
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:41,170
it has kicked in with the filmmaking

2157
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:47,380
tools my DSLR camera I've shot this

2158
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,540
feature recently and the budget for the

2159
01:34:54,209 --> 01:34:51,280
entire film was five thousand dollars I

2160
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:54,219
could never have you know done it before

2161
01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:00,639
when I did the $6,500 UFO abduction that

2162
01:35:05,850 --> 01:35:03,940
was a lot of money back then um in 89 88

2163
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:05,860
when we we shot that so that would

2164
01:35:09,689 --> 01:35:07,540
probably be the equivalent of maybe like

2165
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:09,699
twenty-five or thirty thousand still not

2166
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:11,800
a lot of money but here I was able to do

2167
01:35:14,820 --> 01:35:13,090
it for five thousand because the camera

2168
01:35:16,290 --> 01:35:14,830
that you can buy and you can get him

2169
01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:16,300
used for like a thousand or fifteen

2170
01:35:19,470 --> 01:35:17,830
hundred bucks that's it

2171
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:19,480
you know when I start out was in film

2172
01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:21,340
school it was 16 millimeter it was very

2173
01:35:26,129 --> 01:35:24,369
expensive so now anyone can make a movie

2174
01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:26,139
and get the software so we have all

2175
01:35:30,959 --> 01:35:27,820
these voices always people making films

2176
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:30,969
and fortunately more time is spent on

2177
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:34,239
learning this accessible technology than

2178
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:37,119
learning how to tell stories so there's

2179
01:35:42,540 --> 01:35:41,409
you know so I think that no matter what

2180
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:42,550
if you make a good film it doesn't

2181
01:35:45,060 --> 01:35:44,170
matter about distribution arms to get

2182
01:35:47,340 --> 01:35:45,070
back to the question doesn't matter

2183
01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:47,350
about that you know and getting out with

2184
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:48,760
the distributor it will find its way

2185
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:50,710
through festivals or through online or

2186
01:36:01,089 --> 01:35:56,449
going viral and so I think that studios

2187
01:36:03,129 --> 01:36:01,099
you know um you know Disney's buying up

2188
01:36:05,169 --> 01:36:03,139
everything now and so they're gonna have

2189
01:36:06,729 --> 01:36:05,179
if they purchase fox are gonna have 40%

2190
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:06,739
of all the studio films will be coming

2191
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:08,510
out so there's going to become an OP of

2192
01:36:14,259 --> 01:36:11,690
you there which is is gonna you know be

2193
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:14,269
a bit of a challenge for us but I think

2194
01:36:18,699 --> 01:36:16,130
with Netflix and Hulu and everything

2195
01:36:19,899 --> 01:36:18,709
else in an Amazon again you make

2196
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:19,909
something good you get it out there

2197
01:36:25,719 --> 01:36:22,249
you're gonna find an audience good wins

2198
01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:25,729
out it really does yeah well um all day

2199
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:29,510
did you know the I only got to watch the

2200
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:32,690
McPherson you know the the one you did

2201
01:36:37,149 --> 01:36:35,090
the second time around so I didn't get

2202
01:36:41,169 --> 01:36:37,159
to get a chance yet to watch the first

2203
01:36:42,969 --> 01:36:41,179
one but did as far as that goes was any

2204
01:36:48,430 --> 01:36:42,979
part of that like influenced by the

2205
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:48,440
Kelly Hop Hopkinsville incident yeah it

2206
01:36:51,370 --> 01:36:49,209
was

2207
01:36:54,729 --> 01:36:51,380
that's the incident that took place in

2208
01:36:56,759 --> 01:36:54,739
the 60s I believe was 65 were a family

2209
01:36:58,649 --> 01:36:56,769
claimed that they were attacked by

2210
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,659
extraterrestrials on their ranch

2211
01:37:03,549 --> 01:37:00,800
Spielberg was actually gonna do a movie

2212
01:37:06,219 --> 01:37:03,559
based on this and started developing it

2213
01:37:09,459 --> 01:37:06,229
and fell in love with one of the

2214
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:09,469
characters one of the aliens who was a

2215
01:37:15,219 --> 01:37:13,550
nice alien and so he branched that off

2216
01:37:18,939 --> 01:37:15,229
split off into its own movie which

2217
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:18,949
became et so et has its roots in in that

2218
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:22,249
story that's a story I'd like to visit

2219
01:37:25,709 --> 01:37:23,030
that wasn't the one that was talked

2220
01:37:29,709 --> 01:37:25,719
about earlier but I I would love to do a

2221
01:37:32,919 --> 01:37:29,719
either a documentary or a or a

2222
01:37:35,799 --> 01:37:32,929
fictionalized version of that story

2223
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:35,809
because it's it's carbureted so well and

2224
01:37:42,699 --> 01:37:38,090
covered you know so well when it's

2225
01:37:44,949 --> 01:37:42,709
dynamic it's interesting but um yeah I I

2226
01:37:46,419 --> 01:37:44,959
agree uh you know it's I'm surprised

2227
01:37:49,870 --> 01:37:46,429
there hasn't been anything me I mean

2228
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:49,880
that is just such a scary tale oh my god

2229
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:52,249
in general you know they were firing at

2230
01:37:56,109 --> 01:37:54,110
these things and with their shotguns and

2231
01:38:01,020 --> 01:37:56,119
stuff at the ranch and there were nine

2232
01:38:04,270 --> 01:38:01,030
nine family members yeah on the roof and

2233
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:04,280
you know Wikipedia as his tendency will

2234
01:38:08,679 --> 01:38:06,110
they'll come out and they'll like even

2235
01:38:10,450 --> 01:38:08,689
Roswell if you read Wikipedia Roswell

2236
01:38:14,050 --> 01:38:10,460
didn't happen

2237
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:14,060
it they have a tendency to lean more

2238
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,820
towards you know what they perceive as

2239
01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:18,560
being a nice little wrap up with a bow

2240
01:38:24,820 --> 01:38:22,670
on that information and so they tend to

2241
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:24,830
go on that story they tend to go with

2242
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:28,310
that these were just Al's and there were

2243
01:38:32,589 --> 01:38:29,810
a particular type of vowels that look

2244
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:32,599
kind of creepy and so unless they're

2245
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:34,130
indigenous to that area because these

2246
01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:35,510
guys grew up and they're like two

2247
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:38,750
generations they're you know something

2248
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:44,000
definitely bizarre happen and so yeah

2249
01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:45,460
I'm surprised it hasn't been made either

2250
01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:49,099
but again maybe with the Department of

2251
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:50,780
Defense that footage coming out it's

2252
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:54,710
going to you know help us you know I

2253
01:38:59,500 --> 01:38:56,570
know there is definitely an audience out

2254
01:39:04,030 --> 01:38:59,510
there right you know what you talked

2255
01:39:06,990 --> 01:39:04,040
about earlier about how myths and

2256
01:39:12,250 --> 01:39:07,000
conspiracies are are just you know

2257
01:39:15,879 --> 01:39:12,260
generated through the internet so along

2258
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:15,889
those lines a lot of these cases and

2259
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:19,070
other cases for instance can sort of

2260
01:39:25,870 --> 01:39:22,310
perpetuate into something that they're

2261
01:39:28,780 --> 01:39:25,880
not you know become like Roswell for

2262
01:39:30,939 --> 01:39:28,790
instance who knows what people will be

2263
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:30,949
talking about when it comes to Roswell

2264
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:33,110
100 years from now or you know even 20

2265
01:39:39,970 --> 01:39:37,360
years from now because a lot of it is is

2266
01:39:43,060 --> 01:39:39,980
it's kind of like it becomes a circus

2267
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:43,070
and it's it's hard to to know what the

2268
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:46,210
facts are there's many cases like that

2269
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:51,170
that are just confusing and as time goes

2270
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:54,110
on and the internet generates more

2271
01:39:59,530 --> 01:39:57,530
stories more blogs more reddit posts or

2272
01:40:01,359 --> 01:39:59,540
whatever it is you know it's going to

2273
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:01,369
become more and more confusing to figure

2274
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:04,400
out what the heck really happened that's

2275
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,449
true 100% I think that where I feel like

2276
01:40:15,070 --> 01:40:10,400
you know when I was talking to Alejandro

2277
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:15,080
I I was afraid to go to a UFO convention

2278
01:40:20,589 --> 01:40:18,770
I had gone to this one right about the

2279
01:40:23,919 --> 01:40:20,599
time I finished the film or maybe before

2280
01:40:23,919 --> 01:40:23,929
I went to this one kind of little

2281
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:25,989
were a bunch of people who were UFO

2282
01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:27,110
enthusiasts they were showing some

2283
01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:28,729
footage and it was this orb that was

2284
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,360
going around this jet and I'm watching

2285
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:34,400
it and I realized pretty quickly that oh

2286
01:40:38,379 --> 01:40:37,249
that's a lens flare when it goes it has

2287
01:40:41,020 --> 01:40:38,389
the same property and everything so I

2288
01:40:42,729 --> 01:40:41,030
raised my hand and I said sorry but

2289
01:40:45,850 --> 01:40:42,739
that's definitely a lens flare I can

2290
01:40:48,669 --> 01:40:45,860
tell you that's an an apparition from

2291
01:40:50,859 --> 01:40:48,679
from the lens and it's got the greenish

2292
01:40:52,419 --> 01:40:50,869
you know that orange just whatever hue

2293
01:40:53,919 --> 01:40:52,429
to it on the outside and I explained it

2294
01:40:56,379 --> 01:40:53,929
and they all turn around looked at me

2295
01:40:58,479 --> 01:40:56,389
like I was a heretic it was very

2296
01:40:58,839 --> 01:40:58,489
uncomfortable and so I thought well I'm

2297
01:41:00,250 --> 01:40:58,849
not

2298
01:41:02,669 --> 01:41:00,260
I'm never going to one of these

2299
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:02,679
conventions especially as as my kind of

2300
01:41:08,679 --> 01:41:07,070
infamy grew and grew I thought that you

2301
01:41:11,169 --> 01:41:08,689
know I was a little nervous about it and

2302
01:41:13,419 --> 01:41:11,179
Alejandro put me at ease and I said look

2303
01:41:15,790 --> 01:41:13,429
if I'm gonna if I want to put myself out

2304
01:41:17,379 --> 01:41:15,800
there after all these years the one

2305
01:41:18,969 --> 01:41:17,389
thing I want to are the two things I

2306
01:41:23,469 --> 01:41:18,979
want to do is number one is I want to

2307
01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:23,479
add levity to the genre you talked to

2308
01:41:28,509 --> 01:41:26,329
quantum physics physicist you you talked

2309
01:41:31,179 --> 01:41:28,519
to anyone in a field of research there's

2310
01:41:32,919 --> 01:41:31,189
humor you know I've done tons of

2311
01:41:35,770 --> 01:41:32,929
reenactments and stuff with doctors and

2312
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:35,780
cops and stuff they're hysterical and so

2313
01:41:38,379 --> 01:41:37,070
what they're doing is you know important

2314
01:41:41,049 --> 01:41:38,389
everything but there's some levity where

2315
01:41:42,279 --> 01:41:41,059
we can kind of you know not that we're

2316
01:41:45,939 --> 01:41:42,289
not taking things serious but we're

2317
01:41:48,009 --> 01:41:45,949
having fun within that and and so that

2318
01:41:49,719 --> 01:41:48,019
was kind of my mission to do that and

2319
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:49,729
maybe that was my own defense mechanism

2320
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:52,070
so that you know when I got out there

2321
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:55,130
people would say hey you know we're all

2322
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,719
only human here we all have the same

2323
01:42:01,060 --> 01:41:59,119
interest which is looking beyond the

2324
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:01,070
great you know the great thing on and

2325
01:42:06,759 --> 01:42:03,679
the other thing was I wanted to be kind

2326
01:42:09,609 --> 01:42:06,769
of a barometer I meant someone that you

2327
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:09,619
know that jumps on a bandwagon you know

2328
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:12,110
easily I'm more like Groucho Marx she

2329
01:42:14,770 --> 01:42:13,249
says I'd never belong to a club that

2330
01:42:17,890 --> 01:42:14,780
would have me as a member yeah and so

2331
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:17,900
I'm always going you know what is real

2332
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:19,130
hair and so when I hear these new

2333
01:42:26,770 --> 01:42:22,249
stories coming out and everything I'm

2334
01:42:28,810 --> 01:42:26,780
I'm very cautious and so if anything if

2335
01:42:31,179 --> 01:42:28,820
I'm a mouthpiece for anything I would

2336
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:31,189
hope that it would be that I could you

2337
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,689
know offer some a way in which to

2338
01:42:37,780 --> 01:42:37,280
analyze things so that people would be

2339
01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:37,790
inspired

2340
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:40,070
look at reigns not from oh that goes

2341
01:42:45,370 --> 01:42:42,350
into my conspiracy bucket Bigfoot that

2342
01:42:47,650 --> 01:42:45,380
goes in here you know Bermuda Triangle

2343
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,660
that goes in there too that we look at

2344
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:50,000
things from you know from the

2345
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:51,770
perspective of does it make sense that

2346
01:42:56,980 --> 01:42:55,610
this could be real you know that we all

2347
01:42:59,800 --> 01:42:56,990
need to do a little bit of work we can't

2348
01:43:01,870 --> 01:42:59,810
you know we've got to meet phenomenon

2349
01:43:03,490 --> 01:43:01,880
halfway on the bridge we can't have it

2350
01:43:05,710 --> 01:43:03,500
come all the way over we've got to meet

2351
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:05,720
it halfway and skepticism is healthy and

2352
01:43:09,250 --> 01:43:08,570
it's um and it only makes the truth that

2353
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:09,260
much stronger

2354
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:14,350
I like sound like I'm running for office

2355
01:43:20,530 --> 01:43:18,110
and if you vote for me there'll be a

2356
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:20,540
free UFO in every backyard I might vote

2357
01:43:29,230 --> 01:43:24,560
for you so you know going back you know

2358
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:29,240
to what you said at that UFO conference

2359
01:43:34,690 --> 01:43:31,730
when you actually saw what the issue was

2360
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:34,700
that is a problem and and the problem is

2361
01:43:41,290 --> 01:43:38,330
is when someone invests their time their

2362
01:43:43,450 --> 01:43:41,300
thoughts into saying that's a UFO it

2363
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:43,460
can't be explained and then you turn

2364
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:47,210
around well yes it can be explained they

2365
01:43:52,090 --> 01:43:49,760
don't necessarily want to hear it

2366
01:43:54,130 --> 01:43:52,100
because they they have already bought

2367
01:43:56,980 --> 01:43:54,140
into it and so they don't want their

2368
01:44:00,430 --> 01:43:56,990
paradigm of what that is you know to

2369
01:44:03,820 --> 01:44:00,440
change so and that is a that is a major

2370
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:03,830
problem in the UFO field that I've seen

2371
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:06,020
is that some people just buy into

2372
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:09,410
something and hold on to it and they

2373
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:12,110
don't you know it's kind of like science

2374
01:44:19,330 --> 01:44:16,010
would never you know proceed the proper

2375
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:19,340
way if scientists didn't say oh okay I

2376
01:44:24,610 --> 01:44:22,270
was wrong you know so there's the proof

2377
01:44:27,610 --> 01:44:24,620
that I was wrong

2378
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:27,620
I see that a little bit happening in the

2379
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:29,810
UFO field where someone maybe writes a

2380
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:32,690
book they have their time invested and

2381
01:44:37,870 --> 01:44:34,760
they don't want to you know they don't

2382
01:44:39,630 --> 01:44:37,880
want the truth to be known if if they

2383
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:39,640
find out they're wrong

2384
01:44:46,450 --> 01:44:44,320
yeah well then that's kind of you know

2385
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:46,460
wagging the dog the tail wagging the dog

2386
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:49,130
where you have someone who's come out

2387
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:50,930
with this thing and this is my truth now

2388
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:51,770
and this is what I'm mark

2389
01:44:58,210 --> 01:44:54,530
this is what I make my living at that's

2390
01:45:01,690 --> 01:44:58,220
dangerous I you know I think the best

2391
01:45:04,980 --> 01:45:01,700
way to look at a truth or conspiracy is

2392
01:45:07,420 --> 01:45:04,990
it's like getting back to the dating app

2393
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:07,430
it's kind of like when you meet someone

2394
01:45:13,330 --> 01:45:10,250
in a bar and they say who they are you

2395
01:45:15,190 --> 01:45:13,340
know I'm this I'm that if you if you

2396
01:45:16,540 --> 01:45:15,200
look at conspiracies like that you'd

2397
01:45:18,970 --> 01:45:16,550
walk into a bar and the first person

2398
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:18,980
that came up and said hey you know I

2399
01:45:25,210 --> 01:45:21,890
think you're you know I mean incredibly

2400
01:45:26,620 --> 01:45:25,220
beautiful and and blah blah blah first

2401
01:45:30,490 --> 01:45:26,630
of all you you might get charged for

2402
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:30,500
sexual harassment but you you would say

2403
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:33,890
to them hey you know tell me what more

2404
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:35,210
might yourself you can start to discover

2405
01:45:40,690 --> 01:45:37,010
all these things you'd suss it out more

2406
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:40,700
so I think that that you kind of have to

2407
01:45:47,380 --> 01:45:45,170
look beyond what is you know what is

2408
01:45:49,150 --> 01:45:47,390
being presented to you and say okay what

2409
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:49,160
is really here and in a relationship

2410
01:45:54,940 --> 01:45:51,530
when we meet someone whether it's it's

2411
01:45:56,260 --> 01:45:54,950
romantic or a friendship you you need to

2412
01:45:57,610 --> 01:45:56,270
dig a little bit more and see if this

2413
01:45:59,560 --> 01:45:57,620
person is credible and if they're a

2414
01:46:00,940 --> 01:45:59,570
person of their their word and

2415
01:46:02,980 --> 01:46:00,950
everything else and we put a lot of

2416
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:02,990
stock in that I mean you go out in in

2417
01:46:08,710 --> 01:46:06,170
the country and and I've shot in 33

2418
01:46:09,790 --> 01:46:08,720
states and I've you know interact with

2419
01:46:11,170 --> 01:46:09,800
people and there's always that kind of

2420
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,180
standoff period where they're like okay

2421
01:46:16,090 --> 01:46:12,880
who's this guy especially coming from

2422
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:16,100
California and the guard is up and then

2423
01:46:21,850 --> 01:46:17,210
they get to know me and they allow that

2424
01:46:24,850 --> 01:46:21,860
period you know to to happen and a lot

2425
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:24,860
of times people don't do that or what

2426
01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:27,230
they do is they they all do that at the

2427
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:29,030
beginning and then as soon as they get

2428
01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:31,040
in that relationship with their chosen

2429
01:46:35,770 --> 01:46:33,590
phenomenon if you will then anything

2430
01:46:39,730 --> 01:46:35,780
else that comes along they go with that

2431
01:46:40,510 --> 01:46:39,740
so it becomes kind of like you know my

2432
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:40,520
buddy Jack

2433
01:46:45,190 --> 01:46:42,590
no no he's cool he's with us so just

2434
01:46:47,530 --> 01:46:45,200
accept him he vouched for him it doesn't

2435
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:47,540
work that way each specific thing needs

2436
01:46:55,150 --> 01:46:50,410
to be examined needs to be considered

2437
01:46:56,980 --> 01:46:55,160
the the the you know the the margin of

2438
01:46:59,020 --> 01:46:56,990
error is so huge when you're working in

2439
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:59,030
something like this so I think I just

2440
01:47:03,250 --> 01:47:01,040
wish that people would kind of reboot

2441
01:47:06,010 --> 01:47:03,260
their skepticism with each new video

2442
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:06,020
with each new article with each new

2443
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:12,620
I agree and to the point where you know

2444
01:47:18,130 --> 01:47:15,410
people will turn away like if they have

2445
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,140
an interest in it you know they will and

2446
01:47:22,630 --> 01:47:20,960
they realize that something is you know

2447
01:47:25,180 --> 01:47:22,640
like you mentioned in the very beginning

2448
01:47:28,030 --> 01:47:25,190
of the show there's so much fake up on

2449
01:47:31,180 --> 01:47:28,040
YouTube you know people will look into

2450
01:47:32,770 --> 01:47:31,190
it and then say oh this is you know they

2451
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:32,780
throw out the baby with the bathwater so

2452
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:36,050
to speak because they see some fakes and

2453
01:47:38,740 --> 01:47:38,030
they just don't have any interest

2454
01:47:40,990 --> 01:47:38,750
anymore

2455
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:41,000
so that's a problem we're not really

2456
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:42,170
going to be able to solve that problem

2457
01:47:47,460 --> 01:47:43,910
because it's gonna be easier and easier

2458
01:47:49,930 --> 01:47:47,470
you as a filmmaker know that I'm sure

2459
01:47:52,180 --> 01:47:49,940
yeah well religion has proven that over

2460
01:47:53,770 --> 01:47:52,190
and over again you can't it's not like a

2461
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:53,780
smorgasbord where you gonna take this

2462
01:47:58,240 --> 01:47:55,570
and that which is kind of like how a

2463
01:48:01,060 --> 01:47:58,250
Buddhism is where you you're afforded

2464
01:48:02,590 --> 01:48:01,070
certain beliefs within that it's either

2465
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:02,600
you're a part of the team here not and

2466
01:48:07,780 --> 01:48:05,330
so again it gets into the black and

2467
01:48:11,170 --> 01:48:07,790
white all government is bad all this is

2468
01:48:13,300 --> 01:48:11,180
bad you know it's like no it's there's

2469
01:48:15,070 --> 01:48:13,310
there's both sides equal you know no

2470
01:48:18,220 --> 01:48:15,080
one's 100% guilty no one's under percent

2471
01:48:21,370 --> 01:48:18,230
innocent now there was a question

2472
01:48:23,730 --> 01:48:21,380
earlier but I think you answered it more

2473
01:48:28,270 --> 01:48:23,740
or less but it was asking would you do

2474
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:28,280
would you do some fiction films on the

2475
01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:30,560
UFO topic or would you try to stick

2476
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:33,110
basically to something like a

2477
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:38,800
documentary about about a situation yeah

2478
01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:43,520
again I I would do both and for me

2479
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:46,870
working in the kind of found footage

2480
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,560
excuse the alien pun but it's a hybrid

2481
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,360
version for me where I can tell stories

2482
01:48:56,770 --> 01:48:55,040
where they feel like a documentary but

2483
01:48:59,320 --> 01:48:56,780
they're actually a fictional story I

2484
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,330
love that space that that space became

2485
01:49:03,850 --> 01:49:01,760
more prevalent because reality TV became

2486
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,860
more prevalent when that happened people

2487
01:49:07,420 --> 01:49:05,600
would rather tune into that and turn

2488
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:07,430
into something that's fictional so why

2489
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,510
not co-op that narrative you know and so

2490
01:49:15,610 --> 01:49:14,480
um you know I'll work in both I

2491
01:49:17,890 --> 01:49:15,620
definitely will be doing straight

2492
01:49:20,170 --> 01:49:17,900
documentaries there's a lot of

2493
01:49:21,810 --> 01:49:20,180
documentaries that I see there out there

2494
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:21,820
Jamie Foxx has done some good

2495
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:26,690
documentaries a few others James James

2496
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:30,890
Fox yeah and and sorry James and

2497
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:34,070
Jennifer Stein as well and so there's a

2498
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:35,360
lot that I see out there where I go ooh

2499
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:38,090
as a filmmaker we can maybe present this

2500
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:41,060
better you know I'm a big fan of chef's

2501
01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:43,730
table on Netflix which is beautifully

2502
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:45,590
shot gorgeous there's no reason why we

2503
01:49:49,660 --> 01:49:47,450
can't do something like that well we

2504
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:49,670
can't you know have the production value

2505
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:52,370
certainly be up to a certain level but

2506
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:55,570
more importantly to tell the story like

2507
01:50:00,940 --> 01:49:58,400
you know like like you do a story say

2508
01:50:03,130 --> 01:50:00,950
I'm searching for Sugarman or an

2509
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:03,140
inconvenient truth so I'd like to see

2510
01:50:08,170 --> 01:50:06,050
the legitimacy happen not just in the

2511
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,180
public's you know you know not just by

2512
01:50:12,610 --> 01:50:10,880
the newspapers and stuff and and with

2513
01:50:14,020 --> 01:50:12,620
this stuff I'd also like to see it the

2514
01:50:16,030 --> 01:50:14,030
way that it's handled in a production

2515
01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:16,040
way and in telling the stories so that

2516
01:50:21,460 --> 01:50:17,780
you could see something like that with

2517
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:21,470
UFOs or extraterrestrials on PBS that's

2518
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:22,850
what I would like to see that's what I

2519
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:24,650
want to bring to it as a documentary

2520
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:28,130
filmmaker as a fictional filmmaker I'm

2521
01:50:33,070 --> 01:50:31,010
I'm really excited about you know

2522
01:50:33,550 --> 01:50:33,080
expanding coming up with things I mean

2523
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:33,560
for me

2524
01:50:38,260 --> 01:50:36,290
the litmus test on anything I do is is

2525
01:50:42,970 --> 01:50:38,270
the feeling I got when I saw Close

2526
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:42,980
Encounters how it was Wonder and awe I

2527
01:50:47,740 --> 01:50:46,400
don't get that a lot and movies and you

2528
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:47,750
know I strive for that so that we can

2529
01:50:54,490 --> 01:50:50,960
you know get people to think beyond

2530
01:50:57,010 --> 01:50:54,500
their you know beyond the paynus that we

2531
01:50:59,440 --> 01:50:57,020
have to deal with and so I'd love to do

2532
01:51:01,600 --> 01:50:59,450
more fictional films where I'm showing

2533
01:51:05,410 --> 01:51:01,610
the communion of extraterrestrials and

2534
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,420
us and and the ones that I am working on

2535
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:07,760
presently deal with that and also deal

2536
01:51:14,410 --> 01:51:10,930
with you know helping to save our planet

2537
01:51:18,700 --> 01:51:14,420
mmm that's that's good I speak quite

2538
01:51:21,460 --> 01:51:18,710
often to to Lise Spiegel you probably

2539
01:51:24,940 --> 01:51:21,470
know who he is now he's working directly

2540
01:51:26,530 --> 01:51:24,950
now with James Fox so I get the the new

2541
01:51:28,410 --> 01:51:26,540
movie update and by the way I saw

2542
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:28,420
someone writing in the chat room about

2543
01:51:33,460 --> 01:51:33,050
his movie the title was called at one

2544
01:51:39,940 --> 01:51:33,470
time

2545
01:51:42,370 --> 01:51:39,950
7:01 for the 701 unexplained UFO reports

2546
01:51:44,980 --> 01:51:42,380
and project Bluebook it's a new title

2547
01:51:47,770 --> 01:51:44,990
now I don't know what that idol is but

2548
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:47,780
it's called something else but I will

2549
01:51:56,230 --> 01:51:53,530
tell you it's a it's a big budget and

2550
01:51:59,230 --> 01:51:56,240
like I say I talked to Lee quite often

2551
01:52:01,630 --> 01:51:59,240
and it's gonna be a really really good

2552
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:01,640
film I can't wait for it to come out

2553
01:52:07,450 --> 01:52:05,210
it's right Yeah right it's right to have

2554
01:52:10,930 --> 01:52:07,460
something to come out that's that's done

2555
01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:10,940
done really well and that encompasses so

2556
01:52:15,970 --> 01:52:14,450
much it's it's just over the past 10

2557
01:52:17,380 --> 01:52:15,980
years we you know we've had it with the

2558
01:52:18,910 --> 01:52:17,390
disclosure projects and stuff like that

2559
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:18,920
you've had these credible sources that

2560
01:52:24,610 --> 01:52:21,260
have come out so to have someone a

2561
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:24,620
tackle those cases directly you know I'm

2562
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:27,050
looking forward definitely looking

2563
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:28,490
forward to that I hope they they wrap it

2564
01:52:34,630 --> 01:52:31,280
up soon yeah and the timing was such

2565
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:34,640
that you know this little thing from the

2566
01:52:37,930 --> 01:52:36,770
Pentagon is actually you know bits and

2567
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:37,940
pieces from that are actually going to

2568
01:52:44,230 --> 01:52:41,590
get into into the movie as well so

2569
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:44,240
that's great the way I want to see I

2570
01:52:48,340 --> 01:52:46,130
really want to see what I want to see

2571
01:52:50,050 --> 01:52:48,350
and and maybe Alejandra can do some

2572
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:50,060
investigation work on this as well cuz I

2573
01:52:56,350 --> 01:52:53,690
know he he he loves this is um what

2574
01:52:57,850 --> 01:52:56,360
happened before the footage that they

2575
01:52:59,790 --> 01:52:57,860
haven't what happened after I could

2576
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:59,800
watch that footage for ya

2577
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:02,480
forever I don't know if right after that

2578
01:53:08,050 --> 01:53:05,810
moment the the tick-tack ship as they

2579
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:08,060
call it yeah or the gibble show if that

2580
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:10,610
took off or not but I would love to see

2581
01:53:14,020 --> 01:53:12,410
that on the big screen that would be

2582
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:14,030
yeah yeah it would be awesome that would

2583
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:16,130
you guys hey we're getting near the end

2584
01:53:20,260 --> 01:53:17,810
but I want to talk about your sighting

2585
01:53:23,530 --> 01:53:20,270
that you had because I actually have a

2586
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:23,540
clip of that ready to show so this is a

2587
01:53:26,740 --> 01:53:25,130
this happened just before you went to

2588
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:26,750
Phoenix it's it's playing right now in

2589
01:53:33,490 --> 01:53:31,610
YouTube and so there's actually a

2590
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:33,500
helicopter involved too right was it a

2591
01:53:38,230 --> 01:53:35,150
black helicopter like they usually are

2592
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:38,240
this is this is how conspiracies get

2593
01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:45,830
you're one of them I am so what happened

2594
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:52,920
was right after I was invited to have to

2595
01:53:57,050 --> 01:53:55,890
go speak and Alejandra and I conspired

2596
01:54:01,190 --> 01:53:57,060
to do this to come out for this

2597
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:01,200
anniversary saying two weeks later my

2598
01:54:06,970 --> 01:54:02,730
girlfriend Allie and I were walking

2599
01:54:12,650 --> 01:54:06,980
along the reservoir and we look up and

2600
01:54:15,170 --> 01:54:12,660
and see this thing that is kind of

2601
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:15,180
metallic in shape and it's it seems to

2602
01:54:19,790 --> 01:54:17,850
be rotating and making these diagonal

2603
01:54:22,340 --> 01:54:19,800
sharp moves disappearing and popping

2604
01:54:26,060 --> 01:54:22,350
back up almost like it's like it's you

2605
01:54:28,190 --> 01:54:26,070
know disappearing and then redirecting

2606
01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:28,200
itself and it's moving really erratic

2607
01:54:31,820 --> 01:54:30,030
and my first thought was oh this is a

2608
01:54:34,010 --> 01:54:31,830
drum because people are out here

2609
01:54:36,740 --> 01:54:34,020
shooting camera drones all the time you

2610
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:36,750
know we shoot movies our except if they

2611
01:54:40,610 --> 01:54:38,370
don't disappear and they also have this

2612
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:40,620
annoying

2613
01:54:45,290 --> 01:54:42,840
winding sign to it sound to it there was

2614
01:54:47,630 --> 01:54:45,300
none of that so I just took out my

2615
01:54:49,010 --> 01:54:47,640
iPhone and started videotaping it when I

2616
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:49,020
started videotaping a helicopter had

2617
01:54:55,700 --> 01:54:51,090
gone by underneath it but it wasn't

2618
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,710
heading in that direction and so see how

2619
01:54:58,970 --> 01:54:57,360
easy would be for me to say yes the

2620
01:55:01,820 --> 01:54:58,980
helicopter came and it circled around

2621
01:55:05,140 --> 01:55:01,830
and then f fighters came huh yeah yeah

2622
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:05,150
no didn't happen it came by and so I

2623
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:07,410
videotaped this and I did like three

2624
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:09,840
videos of this and we just stopped and

2625
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:12,330
it kept going on and on and and finally

2626
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:14,850
you know after like 15 minutes of this

2627
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:18,690
15 or 20 minutes it was kinda like okay

2628
01:55:24,980 --> 01:55:21,330
you know let's you know at often I had

2629
01:55:26,150 --> 01:55:24,990
enough footage of it and so I I part of

2630
01:55:27,470 --> 01:55:26,160
me was kind of like I enjoyed the fact

2631
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:27,480
that I had never seen anything that I

2632
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:30,510
couldn't explain so that I was an

2633
01:55:34,850 --> 01:55:33,330
unbiased person and so I felt well maybe

2634
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:34,860
this is now tainting me so I'm no longer

2635
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:36,930
a virgin so when I did your podcast I

2636
01:55:41,570 --> 01:55:38,880
presented it to everyone and that

2637
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:41,580
consensus was something was was not

2638
01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:43,860
normal about it and and that there was

2639
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:45,030
probably something there and the fact

2640
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:46,170
that he said the helicopter gave its

2641
01:55:53,210 --> 01:55:49,770
scope and everything and then I posted

2642
01:55:54,859 --> 01:55:53,220
it on on YouTube and I called it I said

2643
01:55:58,399 --> 01:55:54,869
real UFO abduction

2644
01:56:01,489 --> 01:55:58,409
question mark exclamation point I wanted

2645
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,499
to see what people said and and someone

2646
01:56:05,209 --> 01:56:03,840
said it was a drunk which which had

2647
01:56:08,750 --> 01:56:05,219
already discounted that and felt

2648
01:56:10,909 --> 01:56:08,760
confident about that but the bulk of the

2649
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:10,919
people who said it wasn't that said it

2650
01:56:17,719 --> 01:56:12,800
was birds hmm

2651
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:17,729
so I looked into that and and the

2652
01:56:21,709 --> 01:56:19,050
problem is that there was a metallic

2653
01:56:23,989 --> 01:56:21,719
sheen to them and also birds don't hang

2654
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:23,999
in one area even when they're mating

2655
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:26,010
they will dive bomb and stuff and go

2656
01:56:29,569 --> 01:56:27,689
within you know half a mile or a mile

2657
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:29,579
they'll move around so the fact that it

2658
01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:33,209
was in that one area yeah a particular I

2659
01:56:37,939 --> 01:56:35,820
have promulgated on that I really want

2660
01:56:41,179 --> 01:56:37,949
it to be birds so I can go okay that's

2661
01:56:42,649 --> 01:56:41,189
it great thanks so that was my thing and

2662
01:56:44,810 --> 01:56:42,659
you can see the footage and I put a

2663
01:56:46,850 --> 01:56:44,820
little white ring on it so you can track

2664
01:56:50,770 --> 01:56:46,860
and actually see it oh I thought the

2665
01:56:56,839 --> 01:56:50,780
white ring was the UFO just kidding and

2666
01:56:58,909 --> 01:56:56,849
famous all right so we're right at the

2667
01:57:01,850 --> 01:56:58,919
end so why don't you give out your

2668
01:57:03,319 --> 01:57:01,860
website and let's see we want to make

2669
01:57:05,179 --> 01:57:03,329
sure you you could also give up the

2670
01:57:07,429 --> 01:57:05,189
website one more time where someone can

2671
01:57:11,719 --> 01:57:07,439
actually watch that the first video that

2672
01:57:13,939 --> 01:57:11,729
you did alien encounter okay they can

2673
01:57:15,859 --> 01:57:13,949
purchase it the new digital digitally

2674
01:57:19,779 --> 01:57:15,869
remastered version with behind the

2675
01:57:24,859 --> 01:57:19,789
scenes footage at UFO abduction

2676
01:57:27,439 --> 01:57:24,869
movie.com and they can also what I've

2677
01:57:29,989 --> 01:57:27,449
done is I've launched this this new

2678
01:57:31,819 --> 01:57:29,999
venture film project that's the first

2679
01:57:35,719 --> 01:57:31,829
that I'm aware of that is both doing

2680
01:57:38,569 --> 01:57:35,729
fiction and and film though Tom DeLonge

2681
01:57:43,629 --> 01:57:38,579
is doing something very similar this is

2682
01:57:43,639 --> 01:57:50,569
patreon.com/scishow

2683
01:57:55,909 --> 01:57:54,679
comm /a alien content and take a look

2684
01:57:57,889 --> 01:57:55,919
there and you can subscribe and you can

2685
01:57:59,629 --> 01:57:57,899
actually be a Content producer and

2686
01:58:01,429 --> 01:57:59,639
there's different tiers and stuff like

2687
01:58:03,949 --> 01:58:01,439
that where you can actually give me

2688
01:58:06,379 --> 01:58:03,959
notes ideas and and come out to the

2689
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:06,389
filming of these films and so that's a

2690
01:58:11,050 --> 01:58:09,440
real kind of inclusive

2691
01:58:12,370 --> 01:58:11,060
venture that I'm doing very excited

2692
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:12,380
about that's the next chapter here for

2693
01:58:15,220 --> 01:58:12,730
me

2694
01:58:17,590 --> 01:58:15,230
excellent well thanks so much Dean it's

2695
01:58:18,129 --> 01:58:17,600
been a real pleasure always fun talking

2696
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:18,139
to you

2697
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:20,570
Thank You Marty I really appreciate it

2698
01:58:23,530 --> 01:58:22,850
all right and we'll be talking to you

2699
01:58:25,540 --> 01:58:23,540
soon okay

2700
01:58:28,060 --> 01:58:25,550
all right buddy take care all right you

2701
01:58:35,590 --> 01:58:28,070
have a good night you two all right bye

2702
01:58:37,990 --> 01:58:35,600
bye bye I just alright so thanks so much

2703
01:58:41,470 --> 01:58:38,000
everyone I really appreciate it and next

2704
01:58:44,140 --> 01:58:41,480
week we have a Robert Schroeder on I

2705
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:44,150
want to thank some people and first of

2706
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:46,400
all I want to thank Dean our guest I

2707
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:48,650
also want to thank Alejandro Rojas for

2708
01:58:54,629 --> 01:58:52,010
helping us out with UFO updates

2709
01:58:56,620 --> 01:58:54,639
Peggy shunning I want to thank her for

2710
01:58:58,510 --> 01:58:56,630
helping out with a Facebook page

2711
01:59:00,910 --> 01:58:58,520
remember you can like us on Facebook we

2712
01:59:03,729 --> 01:59:00,920
have new stories here every day about

2713
01:59:05,470 --> 01:59:03,739
everyday and also I want to thank Evan

2714
01:59:07,419 --> 01:59:05,480
for doing the work behind the scenes and

2715
01:59:09,790 --> 01:59:07,429
I want to thank my internet for not

2716
01:59:11,470 --> 01:59:09,800
giving me trouble today all right so

2717
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:11,480
thanks so much everyone we'll see you

2718
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:13,610
next week and remember keep your eyes to